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Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by alt227 »

BSDobelix wrote: post #176
Y_Y wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aren't racists a minority who struggle to express themselves? How did you come to these conclusions about the goals and future of Twitter? My naive expectation was that Musk is mostly interested in enriching and aggrandizing himself, and that a crusade against some social group is only interesting as long as it serves the primary interests.

>>Aren't racists a minority who struggle to express themselves? Maybe (if it's about black or white), but anti-Semites have a pretty loud and public voice in the "Western" world.

> anti-Semites have a pretty loud and public voice in the "Western" world

So do Jews. So are we seeing full free speech in action? Or is whats right decided by which side people agree with?

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by bboygravity »

decimalenough wrote: post #4

Remember the Arab Spring and how Twitter was hailed as a tool for the masses to fight against their oppressors? And remember how Elon bought Twitter, loudly proclaiming he was doing so to defend free speech? I'm mildly curious to see how X tries to justify this, but I suspect they've reached the stage where they don't even need to pretend to pay lip service to their notional values.

Maybe it was a mistake?

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by flanked-evergl »

Cipater wrote: post #109
flanked-evergl wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want my news filtered by state actors before I read it.

So why are you on a platform OWNED by a "state actor"?

It's funny how people claim both that he is totally in charge of the US, and that at the same time the US is totally in charge of him. It can't be both, and in fact it's neither.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by alt227 »

xzjis wrote: post #126
decimalenough wrote: post #4

Remember the Arab Spring and how Twitter was hailed as a tool for the masses to fight against their oppressors? And remember how Elon bought Twitter, loudly proclaiming he was doing so to defend free speech? I'm mildly curious to see how X tries to justify this, but I suspect they've reached the stage where they don't even need to pretend to pay lip service to their notional values.

"Freedom of speech" on Twitter is nothing more than Newspeak for censorship. In reality, the goal has always been to silence minorities who already struggle to express themselves, while allowing hate, racist, homophobic, and transphobic language to run rampant. It is a form of indirect censorship, through the self-censorship of minorities who fear speaking out. Then comes direct censorship, where certain terms or lin…

> allowing hate, racist, homophobic, and transphobic language to run rampant

Are the people with these views not also entitled to free speech and equal rights to express themselves the same as everybody else?

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by llamaimperative »

alt227 wrote: post #196
xzjis wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Freedom of speech" on Twitter is nothing more than Newspeak for censorship. In reality, the goal has always been to silence minorities who already struggle to express themselves, while allowing hate, racist, homophobic, and transphobic language to run rampant. It is a form of indirect censorship, through the self-censorship of minorities who fear speaking out. Then comes direct censorship, where certain terms or lin…

> allowing hate, racist, homophobic, and transphobic language to run rampant Are the people with these views not also entitled to free speech and equal rights to express themselves the same as everybody else?

Sure they are, but you omitted half of that sentence.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by eesmith »

milesrout wrote: post #101
_fw wrote: post #87

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It’s not about immigration. If it was, then mainstream parties WOULD fix immigration. It’s about national identity, “us and them”. If it wasn’t about immigrants it would be about “experts”. If it wasn’t about experts it would be about “the gays”. This kind of thing doesn’t go away with appeasement: orgs like AfD just point their weapons at somebody else. It has always been the way with facists.

It is about immigration. The mainstream parties can't fix migration because Germany's political system makes it almost impossible to form majority governments. Coalition politics and the cordon sanitaire force the CDU to work with the left and seemingly the left's only consistent political position is opposition to migration reform. The AfD aren't fascists and the attempts to win elections by just screaming slurs unt…

"Germany is a nation-state and always has been"

Do you think the systematic repression of Polish people during the German Empire, which was seen as necessary to achieve the 19th century ideal of a nation-state, was appropriate?

Because you make it sound like Germanisation was a good thing, as otherwise it wouldn't have been a nation-state.

Quoting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanisation_of_Poles_during_...

> Within Bismarck's Kulturkampf policy, the Poles were purposefully presented as "foes of the empire" (German: Reichsfeinde).[7] Bismarck himself privately believed that the only solution to Polish Question was the extermination of Poles.[8] As the Prussian authorities suppressed Catholic services in Polish by Polish priests, the Poles had to rely on German Catholic priests. Later, in 1885, the Prussian Settlement Commission was set up from the national government's funds with a mission to buy land from Polish owners and distribute it among German colonists.

If that's what needed for a nation-state, I reject it as a worthy goal to achieve or use as a basis for identity, just like I reject my country's racist and expansionist history of exploiting African slaves and Native Americans as being something to re-attain.

(Apropos: "Frederick the Great ... likened the newly conquered West Prussia to a Prussian Canada and its inhabitants (which were German and Polish) to the Iroquois, who he saw as equally uncivilised.")

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by Liquidor »

j-bos wrote: post #113

This comment section has turned into something of a circle, it's cool to be mad nd all, but there was a comment expressing doubt at the details, wonder about a reason other than those stated, and asking if anyone independently verified, as I clicked it the comment was flagged to oblivion. No opportunity to engage with that viewpoint.

HN is always a mess when the subject contains Musk, Trump, Google, browsers or social media platforms in general.

I don't mind the slight political aspects of things, but reading a ton of hate and "I already deleted X" (pun intended) and "Just use Y other platform" (that no normal user can figure out) comments is just uninteresting and should stay on Reddit or wherever these nonproductive comments fit into.

I'd love to hear more about this case, the technical aspects and the follow-ups/investigations. Let's focus on that, no? Maybe it's just me.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by [deleted] »

phtrivier wrote: post #143
andrepd wrote: post #108

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Flood the zone. Propose ethinc cleansing and sell Ukraine to Russia and manipulate the German elections and censor twitter and cut usaid and pass inane stuff about transgenders. All in the space of a week. How can you even process what's happening, let alone resist it?

You pick a line where you have some degree of control, and you stay focussed on it. Coordination should not be about "hey, let's all make a lot of noise about his last move", because you're overwhelmed. It's about making sure not too many people are working on the same line. You pick a line. One where you can act. You get one executive order rescinded. Someone else work on another one. You legislate one doggy doger a…

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