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Order Declassifying JFK and MLK Assassination Records [pdf]

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Re: Order Declassifying JFK and MLK Assassination Records [pdf]

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Post by 20after4 »

XorNot wrote: post #182
netdevphoenix wrote: post #180

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> JFK stuff was also declassified under Biden. No one cares because there's nothing in it. A post about it is trending on HN so saying "no one cares" is a dismissal about the interest on this topic. Your very contribution to the post ironically contradicts the content of your message

A post is trending about the declassification which hasn't actually happened yet. It's not trending about the content of the documents, or even discussing previous documents, in fact no one is even discussing what was in the previous thousands of pages of declassified material. People care about the idea of the story, not the reality. JFK investigation documents have been declassified repeatedly, and no one even has…

There are lots of interesting / incriminating details in the already released documents. There are also some redacted names which surely would add more context and answer a few questions. I'm sure we won't get many shocking revelations but if they really do release the same documents unredacted that's a step in the right direction.

I remain unconvinced that is going to actually happen, unfortunately. They will present a plan that simply excludes any really revealing documents and what they do release will be a nothing burger. That doesn't mean that there is nothing there, just that they don't genuinely intend to release the goods.

Re: Order Declassifying JFK and MLK Assassination Records [pdf]

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agsnu wrote: post #160
throw10920 wrote: post #119

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That's a legitimately good reason. Are the entirety of those remaining 1700 documents redacted? If so, then they should just redact parts that would uniquely identify those last surviving people and release the rest of the documents.

Sounds like a bunch of work. I thought the priority was reducing waste of taxpayer dollars?

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Re: Order Declassifying JFK and MLK Assassination Records [pdf]

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Post by ggm »

rayiner wrote: post #189
kelnos wrote: post #137

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> The release is not just a mechanistic "I am a man of my word" moment, its a distraction from the everyday events. Excellent point that I hadn't considered. We're already flooded with executive orders and news of Musk's capricious wrecking ball. Ultimately who killed JFK or MLK doesn't matter all that much today, except as a matter of historical accuracy. But it's something that people will certainly talk about, dis…

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I wouldn't call it FAFO given 11 presidents in a row including Trump sat on the files. It wasnt fucking around, it was established practice. Your other point, that he campaigned on it is true. It was possibly his least consequential lowest bar act. I'm not personally sensing a massive public THIS IS WHY I VOTED FOR HIM moment on it tbh. Maybe in the rooms people discuss pizzagate, the grand conspiracy comes up from time to time but I can't imagine many of the core caring about MLK. That may have been a sop to black voters.

I will be truly interested in both files, how much new emerges. Imagine when the same level of info comes out about Reagan and the Iran thing, Kissinger and Nixon and the Vietnam war, Clinton in Bosnia, Clinton & Bush and Iraq. Future historians will have a field day. I'll be interested but they just don't feel very .. big.

Re: Order Declassifying JFK and MLK Assassination Records [pdf]

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Post by baseballdork »

nickpinkston wrote: post #129
nozzlegear wrote: post #111

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Put me on record as being in the "nothing ever happens" camp: Oswald done it, the grassy knoll is just a particularly grassy knoll, and the remaining 1% or whatever unreleased files contain a fat nothingburger.

You still have to explain the magic bullet impossibilities, fully intact bullet on the stretcher, Oswald as known CIA asset (CIA reports show this), etc. None of this is really explainable by the official story.

> You still have to explain the magic bullet impossibilities

This has been explained ad nauseam. The bullet went in a straight line.

> Oswald as known CIA asset (CIA reports show this)

I’m sure the CIA has used a lot of unstable people all over. It’s not inconceivable that one of them went on to commit an assassination without being directed to by the CIA. Sometimes things are just boring.

Re: Order Declassifying JFK and MLK Assassination Records [pdf]

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

netdevphoenix wrote: post #180
XorNot wrote: post #171

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You're hoping for a salacious answer. But the real answer is going to be "because declassifying stuff is a time consuming pain in the ass, and no one could be bothered for the file which covered correct letterhead formatting for internal correspondence which technically got sucked into the system 50 years ago and now it's difficult to figure out that that was all it was". JFK stuff was also declassified under Biden.…

> JFK stuff was also declassified under Biden. No one cares because there's nothing in it. A post about it is trending on HN so saying "no one cares" is a dismissal about the interest on this topic. Your very contribution to the post ironically contradicts the content of your message

> saying "no one cares" is a dismissal about the interest on this topic

The point is if you're in a position to declassify banal documents, you probably don't care to do it. You look at them. You see they're banal. You move on.

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by boringness.

Re: Order Declassifying JFK and MLK Assassination Records [pdf]

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Post by account42 »

afavour wrote: post #112
chrisco255 wrote: post #103

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If the transcript involves evidence against a random psychopath who committed murder against beloved public figures (with no connection whatsoever to the government), I don't understand why anyone involved with such an investigation would be upset about the release of such transcripts immediately, much less 15 years or 65 years in the future.

In our conspiracy theory riddled world? The first thing that comes to mind is Sandy Hook. Those poor parents being harassed by people accusing them of being “false flag” actors and all that nonsense. If you were a key witness in the JFK assassination you can bet nutjobs hell bent on some conspiracy theory or another are going to track you down and harass you. Not to mention the way more vanilla stuff: people whose te…

> In our conspiracy riddled world?

FTFY

Re: Order Declassifying JFK and MLK Assassination Records [pdf]

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Post by api »

jondwillis wrote: post #100
api wrote: post #21

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I think the desire to keep that stuff quiet is bipartisan because loads of people from both parties are exposed, as well as too many wealthy people. Now that we also have P-Diddy it makes me wonder just how many high class sleazy pimps with blackmail operations are operating at a given time. This must be a standard racket.

Back in the late 2010s, I worked with someone who had a personal relationship with PD, to the point that my business partner was soft pitching our business to PD... The person that I worked with partied with PD and mirrored some of the same (alleged) sort of toxic and abusive antics in their own home and social circles, which I experienced firsthand. There was a darkness emanating from this person that I haven’t real…

That darkness… wow. I’ve met someone like that, and it made me think I was crazy. I guess it’s your brain stem warning you that this person is dangerous in a certain kind of way— extreme dark triad traits.

Re: Order Declassifying JFK and MLK Assassination Records [pdf]

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Post by rayiner »

ggm wrote: post #193
rayiner wrote: post #189

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I wouldn't call it FAFO given 11 presidents in a row including Trump sat on the files. It wasnt fucking around, it was established practice. Your other point, that he campaigned on it is true. It was possibly his least consequential lowest bar act. I'm not personally sensing a massive public THIS IS WHY I VOTED FOR HIM moment on it tbh. Maybe in the rooms people discuss pizzagate, the grand conspiracy comes up from t…

> established practice

The established practice is fucking around. It’s not just any one thing. There’s a widespread feeling among Trump voters that the executive branch is secretive and unresponsive. There is a continuity between the MLK/JFK stuff all the way to executive-branch refusal to enforce immigration laws (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/29/podcasts/the-daily/electi...). E.g. the deep state turned H1B from what Congress promised was a temporary worker program into a pathway to permanent immigration.

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