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US bill proposes jail time for people who download DeepSeek

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Re: US bill proposes jail time for people who download DeepSeek

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post #77

The cat is out of the bag. Latest gen chips are all the "moat" USA has left, and even that's gonna be cracked by China in a few years. Hopefully Europe will start closer bilateral dealing with China, and not hang itself to the future hermit kingdom of america.

Hopefully, yes. Considering the situation in Germany, Scholz was Biden's errand boy, the prospective new chancellor Merz has worked at Blackrock, even the Germany-first party AfD is led by Weidel, who is ex Goldman Sachs. In Italy, the purportedly nationalist Meloni has caved in on all issues during the Biden administration and is now courting Trump. There needs to be a new generation of politicians who remember the…

So russia deliberately mabipulate energy prices, plans for years to invade their neighbor with purpose of annexation them and somehow it's US fault. Lol.

US have many faults and I would surely appreciate bigger independence for Europe. That's a fact.

But the rest is just made up nonsense. I wonder why your account was created only for this post, have one comment and is under two weeks old. Comrade gopnik.

Re: US bill proposes jail time for people who download DeepSeek

#192
post #157

The bill is political theater and this article is playing into it. A downloaded model that can be run on US servers is covered by the first amendment as free speech. This is not the same circumstance as the law that required TikTok divest of its platform, which was over spying concerns[0]. You can’t spy on Americans when data is kept on US servers. 0. Per the TikTok Supreme Court ruling: https://www.supremecourt.gov/…

> A downloaded model that can be run on US servers is covered by the first amendment as free speech. This is absolutely not settled law.

Other than intellectual property concerns and some obtuse arguments about the model inciting others to break the law (which isn’t specific to China anyway), I’d be really curious what good arguments can be made about how it isn’t protected by the first amendment and how those arguments could target Chinese models specifically

Re: US bill proposes jail time for people who download DeepSeek

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> The Republican Senator from Missouri Josh Hawley has introduced a new bill that would make it illegal to import or export artificial intelligence products to and from China, meaning someone who knowingly downloads a Chinese developed AI model like the now immensely popular DeepSeek could face up to 20 years in jail, a million dollar fine, or both, should such a law pass. You get less jail time for committing 34 fel…

You mean one time-barred, victimless misdemeanor that got transmogrified into 34 felonies by an overzealous political hack of a prosecutor?

Lawfare was tried, and it failed. I hope it dies the death it deserves instead of becoming the new normal.

Re: US bill proposes jail time for people who download DeepSeek

#200
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure it’s even worth speculating on a bill that’s merely been proposed. This one sounds DOA. But yeah TikTok ban was a very bad precedent, mostly because it was based on speculative risks, not hard proof of existing behaviour (TikTok not engaging didn't help at all either). Regardless of the merits I too hope it doesn’t have a ripple effect. National security is such a huge brush you could paint anything you want…

The risk from TikTok is possibly not speculative at all. I think it’s quite likely the national security apparatus knows something and informed congressmen because they went from being opposed to it to being in favor of it in a short time.

> I think it’s quite likely the national security apparatus knows something

I couldn’t help but lol when I read that.

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