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Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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Post by Dylan16807 »

madduci wrote: post #134
Dylan16807 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the critters can crawl in from neighboring items When it's shrink wrapped? And why would a used device be on the shelf next to the new router I was buying? You can argue this is "just as likely" with used devices, maybe. But if I'm buying a router it's not going to be used.

I agree with the take, unfortunately the new construction with Fiber to the home, this becomes less and less feasible, since ISPs expect to have routers with the fiber cable input as WAN port. This is the case of Iliad in Italy. In Germany you have FTTH installations where Telekom puts a mini Fiber Gateway in your home and an extra router dials with the credentials to access the internet. In this setup, you can use O…

As long as there's a reasonable way to get an SFP module, there's a good amount of routers with those sockets and I can get a gigabit media converter for $20.

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Post by bdavbdav »

I’m quite happy with the openreach setup in the UK - using a very simple ONT and whatever you want going into it router wise. They’re very close to just being a media converter, and the ONT SFPs are basically the same thing in a different form factor. I understand why they’re controlled given the topology of gPON.

If you’re worried about security of the device on the WAN side, then you’ve got bigger issues.

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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Post by bdavbdav »

chaz6 wrote: post #182

As someone who just switched from an IPoE internet service to PPPoE, just make sure your device can cope. I have been using a trusty Ubiquiti Edgerouter Lite 3 for many years without issue. Unfortunately, the Cavium cpu does not support hardware offload for both ipv6 vlan and ipv6 pppoe at the same time. If you do go down the general-purpose cpu (x64/arm) route and your ISP uses PPPoE, you may need to tweak so that t…

I was so pleased to switch to IPoE even on my UDM SE. The speeds are much more consistent now. Sky in the UK have been fantastic for FTTP.

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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Post by zzo38computer »

OkGoDoIt wrote: post #21

I wish. I own my own modem and router, but Comcast won’t let me use them unless I pay a whole bunch of extra fees or accept a stupidly low monthly data cap. I’ve got my router downstream of theirs which is a bit annoying, especially considering their modem-router combo overheats and needs to be rebooted via unplugging power at least once a month. Sadly I have no other options here in San Francisco. My house is not wi…

I have my own router, but use the ISP's modem. The modem is also able to act as a wired router and Wi-Fi router, but I set it to "bridge mode" to disable the wired NAT so that I could use my own router instead. (When they replaced the modem, I did tell them to enable bridge mode, and they did that, so that is not a problem.)

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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Post by pyuser583 »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #27
pyuser583 wrote: post #6

The part about a cockroach colony is a bit unfair. Insects love electronics, with the heat and noise they generate. And when electronics sit in storage for a long time, the critters can crawl in from neighboring items. This is just as likely to happen with a non-ISP router. Ok, in all fairness I don’t have any stats to back up that claim. But nobody else does either. That open source router you love so much may have…

> the critters can crawl in from neighboring items When it's shrink wrapped? And why would a used device be on the shelf next to the new router I was buying? You can argue this is "just as likely" with used devices, maybe. But if I'm buying a router it's not going to be used.

Yeah I’ve seen the buggers inside shrink wrap. Only dead ones though.

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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Post by jiehong »

heffer wrote: post #96

In similar news: The German regulator (BNetzA) just re-confirmed two weeks ago [0] that passive optical networks are not exempt from § 73 (1) of the TKG (Telecommunication law) which mandates that the interface between provider and customer is required to be a passive interface (i.e. mandating an ONT is already in violation of that). And that is fine. The different PON standards are reasonably well standardized and c…

But internet in Germany is famously spotty and not great, at least compared to our neighbours the French or the Polish.

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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Post by Vilian »

microtonal wrote: post #147
OkGoDoIt wrote: post #21

I wish. I own my own modem and router, but Comcast won’t let me use them unless I pay a whole bunch of extra fees or accept a stupidly low monthly data cap. I’ve got my router downstream of theirs which is a bit annoying, especially considering their modem-router combo overheats and needs to be rebooted via unplugging power at least once a month. Sadly I have no other options here in San Francisco. My house is not wi…

This is why the market needs some regulation. Here in The Netherlands, ISPs are required to offer free (as in freedom) modem/router choice. Not only can you replace the router, you can even use your own XGS-PON/AON/etc. SFP(+) module. For a while I had fiber running through an XGS-PON SFP module in my own Fritz!Box. Now I use the provider's ONT (which is just a fiber ethernet media converter) hooked up to a Unifi Clo…

Same in Brasil

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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Post by colonial »

OkGoDoIt wrote: post #21

I wish. I own my own modem and router, but Comcast won’t let me use them unless I pay a whole bunch of extra fees or accept a stupidly low monthly data cap. I’ve got my router downstream of theirs which is a bit annoying, especially considering their modem-router combo overheats and needs to be rebooted via unplugging power at least once a month. Sadly I have no other options here in San Francisco. My house is not wi…

Have you considered Starlink? You might give up some speed, but it is a fantastic bypass for monopolist bullshit. All the providers in my hometown wanted to charge my parents five figures to run something that wasn't 20-down copper, so they bolted a Starlink dish to the roof and got ~250 symmetrical (IIRC) pretty much constantly.

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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Post by mixermachine »

bowsamic wrote: post #181
mixermachine wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that even legal? I always thought a land-line connection is mandatory. I recommend to check the law here :)

I don’t think there is any such law, not that I could find. Telekom refuse to make the connection. They say that if it isn’t there when the apartment is built a new one can’t be added. I live in an attic conversion

I just checked. There is no right to a land-line but a general right to being connected. So somebody has to provide you a connection. If nobody does you can message the "Bundesnetzagentur" and they will oblige a provider.

https://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/DE/Vportal/TK/InternetTelef...

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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Post by mixermachine »

jiehong wrote: post #196
heffer wrote: post #96

In similar news: The German regulator (BNetzA) just re-confirmed two weeks ago [0] that passive optical networks are not exempt from § 73 (1) of the TKG (Telecommunication law) which mandates that the interface between provider and customer is required to be a passive interface (i.e. mandating an ONT is already in violation of that). And that is fine. The different PON standards are reasonably well standardized and c…

But internet in Germany is famously spotty and not great, at least compared to our neighbours the French or the Polish.

It's getting better. The situation is not ideal but very slow connections with <100 MBit/s are rare now.
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