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Re: Goodbye, Slopify

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Post by msephton »

jcstk wrote: post #155
grugagag wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You may indeed have a different experience, but you also may not notice these things as it happens slowly over time, like the proverbial boiling frog. If you're younger it's likely you haven't noticed the patterns. I've been around for a while and notice these patterns from miles away.

I'm talking about my current experience, not the delta over time. I've been using Spotify since 2011.

If you're listening to new music, and recommendations, how do you know you've not heard at least some AI music? I only listen to one playlist on Apple Music (my weekly personalised New Music Mix) and I've had to report several AI tracks. They were easy to spot as they all used the trick of releasing under the same name as successful artists who are in-between release cycles. These scammers bank on fans clicking without thinking which is money in the bank for them. I'm also pretty best about reading the bio of every new artist I'm recommended.

There's one prolific ai musician producing logo beats (boring) and psychedelic ambient (pretty much random drones) that I just can't shake from my playlists as they release lots of stuff under several different names.

Re: Goodbye, Slopify

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Post by tonymet »

we need generalized transparency & control for AI content. a standard for metadata annotations, watermarking & UI indicators to inform consumers of AI content and allow them to screen it out.

The problem with the AI content is that it cheapens real content . I'm not talking about the money, i mean the intrinsic and emotional value experienced when connecting with the content. AI pictures make you feel less engaged when you see a real picture from a friend.

Re: Goodbye, Slopify

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Post by pmarreck »

numbsafari wrote: post #107
antigeox wrote: post #89

My Spotify experience was poisoned as soon as I signed up some 8 years ago to try it; I realized there was no way to remove the popular but garbage music from the dashboard. It was essentially advertising space for slop. So I cancelled my subscription within 1-2 days. I instead ended up going with Youtube Music which doesn't try to push propaganda on me and instead either shows me what I have in my library already th…

My wife continues to mourn the loss of Grooveshark and brings it up at least once a year. It was pretty amazing.

Just learned that the CEO died of mysterious causes.

My jam was Audiogalaxy.

One thing that has always pissed me off is the heavy-handed way the Big 3 labels have dealt with this.

Re: Goodbye, Slopify

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Post by jagged-chisel »

btown wrote: post #32
scotty79 wrote: post #19

Is there an app for AI music exclusively?

If you want good AI generated music that captures the best of human creativity, just go to your terminal and type `cat /dev/null`.

You’re going to need to pipe that into your audio device to hear it. I don’t have an opinion on the best headphones for this.

Re: Goodbye, Slopify

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Post by romanhn »

I really don't understand the product decisions at Spotify. Some really basic functionality is missing like shuffling across all tracks in my library or treating Liked Songs as a playlist but not really (can't share with others). I keep using it for its discovery features, but even that is so much worse than ten years ago. Back then I would easily keep half of Discover Weekly. These days I'm happy if I find one or two songs I like. They feel like a company on auto-pilot.

Re: Goodbye, Slopify

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Post by msephton »

coder543 wrote: post #94
Philpax wrote: post #71

Of all the problems that I have with Spotify - its frequently changing selection of music, its hostility to power users, its shuffle algorithm, its artist hostile rates, its frequently changing-for-the-worse interface - I can't really say that AI music is one of them. If I come across some and enjoy it, great! I'm not going to let that impact my enjoyment of music as a whole.

100% agree. I still listen to this one from time to time: https://suno.com/song/da6d4a83-1001-4694-8c28-648a6e8bad0a https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/04/mit-l... It's just so good, IMHO.

So bad it flips the bit and becomes so good.

Re: Goodbye, Slopify

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Post by ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 »

mastazi wrote: post #111

Even before the rise of AI music, they started "customizing" playlists based on the algorithm, so that you see different songs compared to someone else who subscribes to the same playlist. This was one of the reasons why I left Spotify. There are hundreds of posts about this issue on the Spotify community site, e.g. https://community.spotify.com/t5/Content-Questions/Option-to... https://community.spotify.com/t5/Conte…

There was plenty of "AI music" in 2022, and "Discover Weekly" has been broken for almost a decade, IMO.

Re: Goodbye, Slopify

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Post by FrequentLurker »

mastazi wrote: post #111

Even before the rise of AI music, they started "customizing" playlists based on the algorithm, so that you see different songs compared to someone else who subscribes to the same playlist. This was one of the reasons why I left Spotify. There are hundreds of posts about this issue on the Spotify community site, e.g. https://community.spotify.com/t5/Content-Questions/Option-to... https://community.spotify.com/t5/Conte…

So that is why I have been unable to discover new songs on spotify like before. Guess I will move over to yt music.

Re: Goodbye, Slopify

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Post by askvictor »

muppetman wrote: post #57

I can't understand how people use Spotify. It was great ~10 years ago? It's terrible these days. Pushing Podcasts at you (no thanks, Podcasts are terrible. If I wanted to hear idiots laughing at each other I'd listen to the Radio DJs), terrible music, the UI getting harder and less intuitive to use. It's a shame all good things have to slowly tend towards sucking, instead of getting better. Bitwarden, one of my belov…

> Bitwarden, one of my beloved apps, has done the same with a god-awful UI redesign.

+1. Given it's open source I'm tempted to revert to the older one, though it will probably stop working over time as other things change :(

Re: Goodbye, Slopify

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Post by albertsondev »

antigeox wrote: post #89

My Spotify experience was poisoned as soon as I signed up some 8 years ago to try it; I realized there was no way to remove the popular but garbage music from the dashboard. It was essentially advertising space for slop. So I cancelled my subscription within 1-2 days. I instead ended up going with Youtube Music which doesn't try to push propaganda on me and instead either shows me what I have in my library already th…

Personally I've had loads of issues with YouTube music, largely in that it regularly makes a point of inserting various popular songs into playlists and radios of otherwise very niche genres (which they have nothing to do with) I strongly prefer to listen to. The more niche the genre, the higher the percentage of what follows is typically in line with it... for a while. Sooner or later everything gets infested with the same tripe I don't want to have to deal with listening to on my own time. It's not even good for discovery, as when I try to let a mix go off of a genre or artist that's new to me it isn't long at all before I spend more time skipping past the same nonsense than I do actually listening to music, new or old.

I work in a public-facing environment. I already hear every single one of these songs, none of which I liked to begin with, to a sickening extent over the radio. Leave me to my esoteric tastes and take the chart-toppers elsewhere.

This is an issue I've had across the board, though, be it Spotify, YT Music, heavily curated Pandora stations, or any other streaming service I've tried; nowadays I strongly prefer simply listening to my local library (which I've played to death, but at least it's to my own preferences) instead.

Show me a platform that stays in its damn lane where I can listen to what I want to, and I'll gladly hand over my cash; I'm not gonna do that to be made to listen to the same junk that scored me making that cash to begin with.

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