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Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by wat10000 »

lenerdenator wrote: post #83
api wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the supposed rationale for this? Or is this just a general ideological purge of the government? This is going to be a crazy four years, if it’s only four.

I'm going to guess that the rationale is a combination of: 1) state's rights 2) anti-science 3) a number of people in the administration (very possibly including Trump himself) thinking that the CDC is an example of "the deep state" that conspired to keep him from winning in 2020 But, hey, Joe made groceries more expensive and the administration didn't kiss enough rear on the left side of the Dems to get Kamala elect…

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Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by SkyPuncher »

khazhoux wrote: post #116
SkyPuncher wrote: post #65

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Worth noting, 49.8% of the voting population wanted this. Voter turn out was 63.9% of the adult population. Which means the numbers are closer to * 1/3 of adults voted for Trump * 1/4 of the entire population voted for Trump (though, that's a bit of weird example since kids can't vote)

The people that didn't vote don't count, figuratively or literally. You may as well have pointed out that only .1% of all mammals supported this, after accounting for dogs, cows, raccoons, mice...

Yes, they absolutely do.

There's a big difference between a country that has 50% support of a person and 25% support of a person.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by Dalewyn »

wumeow wrote: post #109
et-al wrote: post #69

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The scary(?) part about Trump voters this time around is that the narrative up to last year forced most such voters underground. It's why election pollsters all failed across the board.

Source: Me. I voted Trump and proudly so, didn't deliberate in public much because noone was going to listen and nothing was going to change my vote anyway. Make America Great Again.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by hilux »

SideQuark wrote: post #190
Waterluvian wrote: post #66

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I wonder if we’d do better in discourse to stop pointing at an “administration.” It is a reflection of what a plurality, often majority, of people want.

Around 20% of Americans voted Trump, and from polls most don’t like him, but always vote R. Die hard Trumpers are at best 10% of Americans. Trump didn’t even get 50% of the vote. His views most certainly aren’t what a majority of people want, and he doesn’t try to expand by doing things the majority want. If anything he paints those not completely in his camp, which is the vast majority of Americans, as an enemy.

> His views most certainly aren’t what a majority of people want

I'm not sure what you gain by telling yourself that.

I could just as easily assert, without any evidence (i.e., like you), that every single person who didn't vote loves Trump and supports all his policies.

> If anything he paints those not completely in his camp, which is the vast majority of Americans, as an enemy.

That has nothing to do with whether people support him. 20 or more (exact number varies on the reporting) women say that he sexually assaulted them, he was convicted of one sexual assault, and yet white women still voted for him.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by lanternfish »

declan_roberts wrote: post #60
ceejayoz wrote: post #12

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> She noted that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention started monitoring and reporting tuberculosis cases in the U.S. in the 1950s.

But surely our disease experts know about the past outbreaks and their impact and wouldn't say something patently untrue like the headline.

"Recorded history" in the title refers to the period of history where the agency has been recording the numbers. It might not be the best phrasing, but it's not strictly untrue; the underwritten thesis (TB is on the rise) is still supported by the evidence.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by aliasxneo »

bayarearefugee wrote: post #162
aliasxneo wrote: post #127

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This year has been a rough start for HN. The political commentary is infecting every thread.

I would argue that being rabidly apolitical while a dangerous threat to western democracy has been growing in America for years is the rough part. I'm an old person. I have a leftist bent. I used to get along with many conservatives, I just had different policy viewpoints than they did. What we are seeing now is a completely different political landscape where one of the parties is actively setting up a dynastic plut…

> I would argue that being rabidly apolitical while a dangerous threat to western democracy has been growing in America for years is the rough part.

Some of us are just here as technology professionals looking to learn and keep current on the latest trends. There's nothing wrong with that.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by Dalewyn »

dmix wrote: post #157
Trasmatta wrote: post #151

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Why wouldn't American politics be discussed in a thread about tuberculosis in an American state?

Look at the top thread with 50 comments and count how many are discussing tuberculosis in America. It's just another starting off point for everyone to go in a hundred directions ranting about US politics and ignore the topic

The thread is about a tuberculosis outbreak in the US. Subsequent comments include conversations about a US federal government department agency publishing (or not) data on that outbreak.

This is all taking place on an online forum hosted in the US and managed by US entities.

And you (and like minded individuals) expect to not see US politics?

I appreciate that the US has an outsized presence on the intertubez, but you also need to realize you're first of all talking in the midst of Americans.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by SecretDreams »

Waterluvian wrote: post #66
llamaimperative wrote: post #4

This is the type of thing that'd normally show up on CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report which has been published weekly since 1960 (my understanding is this is without fail). But unfortunately the current administration has decided an ideological purification is more important than keeping the American public apprised of threats to their health. So it wasn't published last week, and probably won't be this we…

I wonder if we’d do better in discourse to stop pointing at an “administration.” It is a reflection of what a plurality, often majority, of people want.

> It is a reflection of what a plurality, often majority, of people want.

Maybe in countries with multiple parties, proportional representation (or the like), and mechanisms to encourage voting like a holiday for elections.

But, everywhere else? It's a crapshoot..low turnout also doesn't help.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by JoBrad »

ceejayoz wrote: post #3
WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #2

From the article: An tuberculosis outbreak in Kansas has become the largest in recorded history in the US....the CDC started monitoring TB in the US in the 1950s. "This is mainly due to the rapid number of cases in the short amount of time. There are a few other states that currently have large outbreaks that are also ongoing." People with an active infection feel sick and can spread it to others, while people with a…

> It is treatable with antibiotics. Treating it casually has led to widespread resistance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multidrug-resistant_tuberculos... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extensively_drug-resistant_tub... > People with an active infection feel sick and can spread it to others, while people with a latent infection don't feel sick and can't spread it. https://www.who.int/teams/global-tuberculosis-programm…

On top of it being more resistant, we haven’t made very many new medicines to fight it in the last ~50 years.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by SecretDreams »

netman21 wrote: post #48

Largest in recorded history is a bit of hyperbole. In the 1800s something like 80% of all Americans had the TB bacillus and of those that came down with TB a huge percentage died.

Hopefully we can course correct before we have to relearn lessons from the 1800s.
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