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Metacognitive laziness: Effects of generative AI on learning motivation

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Re: Metacognitive laziness: Effects of generative AI on learning motivation

#191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Am I the only one to expect a S curve regarding progress and not an eternal exponential ? People moving away from prideful principle to leverage new tech in the past doesn't guarantee that the same idea in the current context will pan out. But as you say.. we'll see.

Information technology has grown exponentially since the first life form created a self-sustaining, growing loop. You can see evolution speeding up rapidly, the jumbled information inherent in chemical metabolisms evolved to centralize their information in DNA, and then as DNA evolved to componentize body plans. RATE: over billions of years. Nerves, nervous systems, brains, all exponentially drove individual informat…

> Grown exponentially since the first life form

Not really. The total computing power available to humanity per person has likely gone down as we replaced “self driving” horses with cars.

People created those curve by fitting definitions to the curve rather than data.

Re: Metacognitive laziness: Effects of generative AI on learning motivation

#192
post #8

The abstract does not define, nor contextually suggest from the prior statements of the results what "metacognitive laziness" means. Personally speaking, I find being able to ask ChatGPT continually more nuanced questions about an initial answer the one clear benefit over a Google search, where I have diminishing marginal returns on my inquisitiveness for the time invested over subsequent searches. The more precisely…

Further down they write (emphasis mine):

> When using AI in learning, learners should focus on deepening their understanding of knowledge and actively engage in metacognitive processes such as evaluation, monitoring, and orientation, rather than blindly following ChatGPT's feedback solely to complete tasks efficiently.

Re: Metacognitive laziness: Effects of generative AI on learning motivation

#193

I've been calling this out since OpenAI first introduced ChatGPT. The danger in ubiquitously available LLMs, which seemingly have an answer to any question, isn’t necessarily their existence. The real danger lies in their seductive nature - over how tempting it becomes to immediately reach for the nearest LLM to provide an answer rather than taking a few moments to quietly ponder the problem on your own. That act of…

> The real danger lies in their seductive nature - over how tempting it becomes to immediately reach for the nearest LLM to provide an answer rather than taking a few moments to quietly ponder the problem on your own. I get the point you're trying to make. However, quietly pondering the problem is only fruitful if you have the right information. If you don't, best case scenario you risk wasting time reinventing the w…

I'll stop short of asserting you don't, but I'm having a hard time convincing myself your reply does reflect that you get GP's point.

If I were to reframe GP's point, it would be: having to figure out how to answer a question changes you a little. Over time, it changes you a lot.

Yes, of course, there is a perspective from which a month spent in the lab to answer a question that's well-settled in the literature is ~wasted. But the GP is arguing for a utility function that optimizes for improving the questioner.

Quietly pondering the problem with the wrong information can be fruitful in this context.

(To be pragmatic, we need both of these. We'd get nowhere if we had to solve every problem and learn every lesson from first principles. But we'd also get nowhere if no one were well-prepared and motivated to solve novel problems without prior art.)

Re: Metacognitive laziness: Effects of generative AI on learning motivation

#194

There are two aspects to this from my pov. And I think it might be controversial. When i have a question about any topic, and I ask Chatgpt, i usually chat about more things, coming up with questions based on the answer, and mostly stupid questions. I feel like I am taking in the information, analyzing, and then diving deeper because I am curious. This is based on how I learn about stuff. I know i need to check a few…

I really think the ability to ask questions entirely free from all judgment is an under-emphasized aspect of the power of these tools. Yes, some people are intellectually secure enough to ask the "dumb" questions of other humans, but most people are not, especially to an audience of strangers. I don't think I ever once asked a question on Stack Overflow, because it was easy to see how the question I worried might be…

The tool is absolutely biased, what makes you think it wouldn’t be?

Re: Metacognitive laziness: Effects of generative AI on learning motivation

#195
post #181

This stands to reason. If you need the answer to a question, and you can either get it directly, or spend time researching the answer, you're going to learn much more with the latter approach than the former. You may be disciplined enough to do more research if the answer is directly presented to you, but most people will not do that, and most companies are not interested in that, they want quick 'efficient', 'compet…

*but most people will not do that* LLMs will definitely be a technology that widens the knowledge gap at the same time that it improves access to knowledge. Just like the internet. 30 years ago people dreamed about how smart everyone would be with humanity's knowledge instantly accessible. We've had wikipedia for a while, but what's the take-up rate of this infinite amount of information? Most people prefer to scroll…

Anecdotal, but I for one despise the youtube/instagram etc. rabbidholes. When I'm in the mood for a good one I scroll wikipedia. I had the best random conversations about what I read there and it feels like I remember this forever

Re: Metacognitive laziness: Effects of generative AI on learning motivation

#196

I've been calling this out since OpenAI first introduced ChatGPT. The danger in ubiquitously available LLMs, which seemingly have an answer to any question, isn’t necessarily their existence. The real danger lies in their seductive nature - over how tempting it becomes to immediately reach for the nearest LLM to provide an answer rather than taking a few moments to quietly ponder the problem on your own. That act of…

> The real danger lies in their seductive nature - over how tempting it becomes to immediately reach for the nearest LLM to provide an answer rather than taking a few moments to quietly ponder the problem on your own. I get the point you're trying to make. However, quietly pondering the problem is only fruitful if you have the right information. If you don't, best case scenario you risk wasting time reinventing the w…

>wasting time reinventing the wheel for no good reason

Nearly all of learning relies on reinventing the wheel. Most personal projects involve reinventing wheels, but improving yourself by doing so.

Re: Metacognitive laziness: Effects of generative AI on learning motivation

#197
post #40
post #3

> What is particularly noteworthy is that AI technologies such as ChatGPT may promote learners' dependence on technology and potentially trigger “metacognitive laziness”. In conclusion, understanding and leveraging the respective strengths and weaknesses of different agents in learning is critical in the field of future hybrid intelligence. Maybe I'm trying to read and understand it too quickly, but I don't see anyth…

I don't really know what "metacongnitive laziness" is even after they explain it in the paper, but I use LLMs to filter noise and help automate the drudgery of certain tasks, allowing me to use my energy and peak focus time on the more complicated tasks. Anecdotal, obviously. But I don't see how this hinders me in my ability to "self-regulate". It's just a tool, like a hammer. From a learning perspective, it can also…

I also appreciate being able to tell the LLM "look, it's late, I'm tired, really dumb this down for me" and it does it.

Re: Metacognitive laziness: Effects of generative AI on learning motivation

#198

Cell phones and laptops in general have changed a couple of things for me, as someone who grew up without them: - I realized about 20y-25y ago that I could run a Web search and find out nearly any fact, probably one-shot but maybe with 2-3 searches' worth of research - About 10-15y ago I began to have a connected device in my pocket that could do this on request at any time - About 5y ago I explicitly *stopped* doing…

I'm just old enough to remember pub trivia before it was possible to look things up with a phone. I firmly maintain that phones ruined pub trivia.

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Re: Metacognitive laziness: Effects of generative AI on learning motivation

#199
post #181

This stands to reason. If you need the answer to a question, and you can either get it directly, or spend time researching the answer, you're going to learn much more with the latter approach than the former. You may be disciplined enough to do more research if the answer is directly presented to you, but most people will not do that, and most companies are not interested in that, they want quick 'efficient', 'compet…

*but most people will not do that* LLMs will definitely be a technology that widens the knowledge gap at the same time that it improves access to knowledge. Just like the internet. 30 years ago people dreamed about how smart everyone would be with humanity's knowledge instantly accessible. We've had wikipedia for a while, but what's the take-up rate of this infinite amount of information? Most people prefer to scroll…

Pakistan mentioned! Let's go!!

Re: Metacognitive laziness: Effects of generative AI on learning motivation

#200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Am I the only one to expect a S curve regarding progress and not an eternal exponential ? People moving away from prideful principle to leverage new tech in the past doesn't guarantee that the same idea in the current context will pan out. But as you say.. we'll see.

Information technology has grown exponentially since the first life form created a self-sustaining, growing loop. You can see evolution speeding up rapidly, the jumbled information inherent in chemical metabolisms evolved to centralize their information in DNA, and then as DNA evolved to componentize body plans. RATE: over billions of years. Nerves, nervous systems, brains, all exponentially drove individual informat…

human existence doesn't really scale exponentially, that's my take on this
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