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So you want to build your own data center

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Re: So you want to build your own data center

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Reminds me of the old Rackspace days! Boy we had some war stories: - Some EMC guys came to install a storage device for us to test... and tripped over each other and knocked out an entire Rack of servers like a comedy skit. (They uh... didn't win the contract.) - Some poor guy driving a truck had a heart attack and the crash took our DFW datecenter offline. (There were ballards to prevent this sort of scenario, but t…

In the bad old days I had a server at blue host in Dallas. Went to the dc once and there extension cords accross the racks suspended about 1ft off the ground that I had to step over to get to my server. Hey at least it was cheap :)

Re: So you want to build your own data center

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post #90

Reminds me of the old Rackspace days! Boy we had some war stories: - Some EMC guys came to install a storage device for us to test... and tripped over each other and knocked out an entire Rack of servers like a comedy skit. (They uh... didn't win the contract.) - Some poor guy driving a truck had a heart attack and the crash took our DFW datecenter offline. (There were ballards to prevent this sort of scenario, but t…

I recall getting a DC tour of LON3 and being totally blown away by it all as a 20-something web dev. Good times.

When I was in college I’d call up datacenters pretending to be a prospective customer and schedule a tour. I was totally fascinated by them and knew enough to sound legit, it was like going to an amusement park for me.

Re: So you want to build your own data center

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post #129

Interesting that they call out the extortionate egress fees from the majors as a motivation, but are nevertheless also charging customers $0.10 per GB themselves.

Bezos: Your margin is my opportunity. Railway: No, your margin is my opportunity.

We currently pass on our cloud egress costs to users via the current pricing. We'll be publishing a pricing update soon as part of our migration - and egress [and some other things] will be coming down.

Re: So you want to build your own data center

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I promise my comment is not intended to troll. Why didn't you use Oxide pre-built racks? Just the power efficiency seems like a huge win.

It's a fair question. What Oxide are building is cool, but it's too custom/monolithic for us to risk. We're more likely to look at OCP racks/chassis down the road.

Re: So you want to build your own data center

#195

First time checking out railway product- it seems like a “low code” and visual way to define and operate infrastructure? Like, if Terraform had a nice UI?

Kinda. It's like if you had everything from an infra stack but didn't need to manage it (Kubernetes for resilience, Argo for rollouts, Terraform for safely evolving infrastructure, DataDog for observability) If you've heard of serverless, this is one step farther; infraless Give us your code, we will spin it up, keep it up, automate rollouts service discovery, cluster scaling, monitoring, etc

Ok so you guys are serverless-ifying backend components.

Like Vercel but not just for front end

Re: So you want to build your own data center

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post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

correct; I think the first version of our tool sprung up in the space of a couple of weekends. It wasn't planned, my colleague Pierre who wrote it just had a lot of fun building it.

Were there any promising OSS alternatives to Netbox?

There's a fork called nautobot that tries to add-in automation. Most things we wanted to do with either meant we had to go writing django plugins and trying to interface with their APIs (and fight with the libs). Overall just hammering together a small custom service ended up being way faster/simpler.

Re: So you want to build your own data center

#197

Reminds me of the old Rackspace days! Boy we had some war stories: - Some EMC guys came to install a storage device for us to test... and tripped over each other and knocked out an entire Rack of servers like a comedy skit. (They uh... didn't win the contract.) - Some poor guy driving a truck had a heart attack and the crash took our DFW datecenter offline. (There were ballards to prevent this sort of scenario, but t…

I attended an OCP lecture by someone involved in building a facebook DC.

One of the stories was learning that stuff on top gets hotter than stuff on bottom.

This is, like, basic stuff here, guys. I've never understood the hiring practices in these projects.

Re: So you want to build your own data center

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I’m my experience and based on writeups like this: Google hates having customers. Someone decided they have to have a public cloud, so they did it, but they want to keep clients away with a 3 meter pole. My AWS account manager is someone I am 100% certain would roll in the mud with me if necessary. Would sleep in the floor with us if we asked in a crisis. Our Google cloud representatives make me sad because I can see…

My AWS account manager took me fishing. That’s what you get for a >$1M/yr spend. I don’t sense they would roll in mud with me, which is kind of incredible. I wonder how much you need to spend to get into mud rolling territory?

Re: So you want to build your own data center

#199

I’m my experience and based on writeups like this: Google hates having customers. Someone decided they have to have a public cloud, so they did it, but they want to keep clients away with a 3 meter pole. My AWS account manager is someone I am 100% certain would roll in the mud with me if necessary. Would sleep in the floor with us if we asked in a crisis. Our Google cloud representatives make me sad because I can see…

> Microsoft (...) have a very strange cloud… thing. Risking a going off on a tangent, this is something I rarely see discussed but is perhaps one of the main problems with Azure. The whole cloud service feels like something someone oblivious to cloud computing would design if all they knew was renting bare metal servers. It's cloud computing in a way that completely defeats the whole concept of cloud computing.

Can you be more specific?

Re: So you want to build your own data center

#200

Reminds me of the old Rackspace days! Boy we had some war stories: - Some EMC guys came to install a storage device for us to test... and tripped over each other and knocked out an entire Rack of servers like a comedy skit. (They uh... didn't win the contract.) - Some poor guy driving a truck had a heart attack and the crash took our DFW datecenter offline. (There were ballards to prevent this sort of scenario, but t…

Once worked in a "DC" in a converted cow shed in the English countryside. Hot takes that align with your experiences:

    - A key microwave link kept going down with intermittent packet errors way down in the data link layer. A short investigation discovered that a tree across the road had come into leaf, and a branch was blowing into the line of sight of the kit on our building. A step-ladder, a saw and 10 minutes later we restored connectivity
    - Our main (BGP-ified) router out of the DC - no, there wasn't a redundant device - kept rebooting. A quick check showed the temp in the DC was so high, cooling so poor, that the *inlet* fan had an air temp of over 60C. We pointed some fans at it as a temporary measure. 
    - In a similar vein, a few weeks later the air con in another room just gave up and started spewing water over the Nortel DMS-100 (we were a dial-in ISP with our own switch). Wasn't too happy to be asked to help mop it up (thought the water could potentially be live), but what to do?
After that experience I spent time on a small, remote island where main link to the internet was a 1MB/sec link vis GS satellite (ping times > 500ms), and where the locals dialled in over a microwave phone network rated to 9600 baud, but somehow 56k modems worked... One fix I realised I needed was a Solaris box was missing a critical .so, there were no local backups or install media and so I phoned my mate back in the UK and asked him to whack up a copy on an FTP server for me to get the box back online.

And a few years after that I also got to commission a laser beam link over Manchester's Oxford Road (at the time, the busiest bus route in Europe), to link up an office to a University campus. Fun times.

It was all terrific fun, but I'm so glad I now only really do software.

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