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Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by dv_dt »

afavour wrote: post #111
briffle wrote: post #21

Still have no good answer on why its bad for a company that is supposedly under Chineese influence to collect this kind of information on us, and adjust and tweak an 'algorith' for displaying content. But its perfectly fine for a US company to do it? Wouldn't the right solution be to protect the citizens from all threats, foreign and domestic?

Because China is a rival geopolitical power and the US is... us. It's a national security concern. I get that there's a lot of conversation and debate to be had on the topic but the answer here is very straightforward and I don't understand why people are so obtuse about it.

Because US social media companies have sold data to foreign adversaries when then used it to attempt to influence domestic matters

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by JAlexoid »

afavour wrote: post #111
briffle wrote: post #21

Still have no good answer on why its bad for a company that is supposedly under Chineese influence to collect this kind of information on us, and adjust and tweak an 'algorith' for displaying content. But its perfectly fine for a US company to do it? Wouldn't the right solution be to protect the citizens from all threats, foreign and domestic?

Because China is a rival geopolitical power and the US is... us. It's a national security concern. I get that there's a lot of conversation and debate to be had on the topic but the answer here is very straightforward and I don't understand why people are so obtuse about it.

This law is dumb, because in no way does it prevent the exact same data to be collected, processed by a US entity and then transferred to China.

I suspect that it's not about data being transferred, but the fact that TikTok can shape opinions of Americans... which US companies do a lot, without any oversight.

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by throw10920 »

briffle wrote: post #21

Still have no good answer on why its bad for a company that is supposedly under Chineese influence to collect this kind of information on us, and adjust and tweak an 'algorith' for displaying content. But its perfectly fine for a US company to do it? Wouldn't the right solution be to protect the citizens from all threats, foreign and domestic?

Where in that CNBC article does it say that it's fine for US companies to do that? I don't see that anywhere, yet that's the point you're claiming is being made.

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by epolanski »

sunaookami wrote: post #94
gregopet wrote: post #67

I'm sure the other countries are watching this and considering what the US is doing with their data in its apps.

Sadly they won't, that's just one more reason for e.g. the EU to censor more social media on the grounds that one of their """allies""" does it too.

EU is among the most restrictive legislations when it comes to data leaving European ground already.

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by 999900000999 »

>In a unanimous decision, the Supreme Court sided with the Biden administration, upholding the Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act which President Joe Biden signed in April.

Glad to see when it comes to protecting tech monopolies the wisest among us are in full agreement.

Silly things like a right to a speedy trial are up for debate though.

I think this is a massive over reach. You can argue to restrict social media to those over 18, but Americans should have a right to consume content they choose.

What's next, banning books by Chinese authors? Banning Chinese Americans from holding key positions in social media companies, after all they might have uncles in the CCP!

Follow the money. TikTok is an issue for Facebook, BYD cars are an issue for Tesla.

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Post by ossobuco »

zeroonetwothree wrote: post #39
briffle wrote: post #21

Still have no good answer on why its bad for a company that is supposedly under Chineese influence to collect this kind of information on us, and adjust and tweak an 'algorith' for displaying content. But its perfectly fine for a US company to do it? Wouldn't the right solution be to protect the citizens from all threats, foreign and domestic?

It’s bad because China has different interests than the US. Imagine if a war breaks out in Taiwan and they send targeted propaganda to members of the US military.

> China has different interests than the US

Define the US here. Is it the government, the people, the business interests of the private sector?

Each one of those has different interests, often competing ones.

In any functional nation the people's interests should prevail, and it seems to me that any information capable of swaying the public's opinion is informing them that their interests are being harmed in favor of other ones.

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by wumeow »

legitster wrote: post #119

TikTok is perhaps the most impressively addictive social media app ever created. The algorithm used in the US was apparently banned in China for being too addictive. There's a certain historic symmetry with how opium was traditionally used in China, then Britain introduced stronger, more disruptive versions, forcing a stronger social reaction. Geopolitics aside, I think everyone is kind of aware that social media is…

I remember trying out TikTok and realizing in horror that it was a slot machine for video content.

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by sys32768 »

jdlyga wrote: post #22

People don't fully understand what is at risk of being lost here. Science, history, and technology tutorials, practical life skills like cooking, budgeting, mental health, chronic illness, trauma recovery, creative expression, small businesses, home repair, friend groups, communities, and many people who make their living on TikTok. Losing TikTok means losing a massive ecosystem and all of its connections, knowledge,…

Is no one downloading the best content?

I download all my favorite YouTube videos because inevitably some disappear.

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Post by hshshshshsh »

elzbardico wrote: post #181

This is going to be an interesting experiment: A widely used social network across the world WITHOUT american content. Until now, the closest thing we had like this were national our regional networks like Russia's vk, but Vk was never truly popular outside Russian speaking countries. Now we, for the first time ever, will have the situation where a social network has global reach but without american content. Will it…

Instagram and Facebook is more popular outside the US and China than TikTok.

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by knowitnone »

briffle wrote: post #21

Still have no good answer on why its bad for a company that is supposedly under Chineese influence to collect this kind of information on us, and adjust and tweak an 'algorith' for displaying content. But its perfectly fine for a US company to do it? Wouldn't the right solution be to protect the citizens from all threats, foreign and domestic?

same reason China forbids or controls US companies operating in China. This is just tit-for-tat.
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