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No Billionares at FOSDEM

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Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

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You see, there's the crux -- if one's a billionaire, one is obviously hoarding money as in not using any significant amount of it to the benefit of society and definitely not to help open-source which is the topic of FOSDEM. Otherwise one would not be a billionaire. By this logic, billionaires are off-topic to FOSDEM. Thus what are billionaires doing speaking on FOSDEM?

People rarely hoard their money as cash.

The benefit to society is in the companies they hold

Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

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> Sorry but no, this is absolutely not what happened What didn't happen? I didn't provide you a narrative, I gave 2 examples of uncrewed propulsive landing which literally happened. > There is an incredible gap between the tech demo you're speaking about, and actually landing a heavy orbital rocket, and then doing it 100 times in a row without a hiccup. I agree. Now please point to me which part of the self-landing b…

I told you what didn't happen - the situation wasn't as clear as you say. Everybody in the space industry was absolutely sure he is totally crazy and it's impossible to do with an entire first/second stage rocket booster. He built the company that built the booster, which to me is at least as interesting as building the booster itself. It's not just about money - Bezos has much more money available than SpaceX had in…

Actually, Blue Origin beat SpaceX to land a booster. The difference is that BO landed New Shepard, which can barely bump a manned capsule over the Karman line, whereas SpaceX is landing an orbital-class booster, which is a much more difficult proposition.

I do agree though that SpaceX has used their money much more efficiently and moved a lot faster in general than BO.

Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

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It's so sad that the current culture wants to judge peoples life based on the worst they've ever done. Yea, Musk is a troll online, but his success as a business/tech leader is something you can only doubt by donning the proverbial tin foil hat.

I care less about his "troll" posts online (implying there is a conspiracy of jews importing people to destroy America is just a troll and not an actual Nazi conspiracy guys) than his manipulation of the US government, mistreatment of workers, and maybe the most egregious of all, being a fake nerd and pretending to like Evangelion.

Ah yes, the rocket guy must be a fake nerd, and that's much worse than mistreating human beings. No flaw in that logic at all.

Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

#194
post #31

I don't like Jack Dorsey and I don't get why he should be involved in the FOSDEM keynote either but why is Drew incapable of forming any argument anyone could actually agree with? You dislike Jack because he sold Twitter and it made mastodon popular, and that's a bad thing? And because this also meant that people with cushy FAANG jobs who could easily find another job at the drop of a hat got displaced by Elon as a r…

Jack didn't sell Twitter.

Well yes, there is also that (apparently he had no choice and didn't even sell his stock, not that I feel sorry for him, but seems like Drew's argument only gets weaker).

Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

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post #177

This whole thing is a non-issue, not sure why Drew is overreacting to this extent. FOSDEM is a not-for-profit org. They run on sponsorships and donations. Many sponsors are what we would consider to be part of Big Evil Tech. The last year I was at the FOSDEM beer event, Google sponsored many rounds of beer, in addition to helping pay for the conference. All the money that goes into FOSDEM is invested in subsequent ed…

FOSDEM organiser since 2001 here.

I'm sure you meant to help, but a factual inaccuracy crept into your comment. FOSDEM has never ever scheduled any talk or other content in exchange for money. There is an absolute consensus within the organising all-volunteer team to stay that course.

Our goal is to bring free and open source software developers together at a yearly conference. We manage income and expenses very carefully, eliminating any need to compromise our mission by selling talk space.

Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

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Imagine if Windows came with adblock out of the box. It would be the best thing Microsoft ever did. Now imagine the next best thing: if Dell installed adblock on all its Windows before you bought them. It would be the best thing Dell ever did. Now imagine the next next best thing: if someone broke into a Dell warehouse, installed adblock on all the computers, and didn't do anything else. This would be a horrible crim…

Some might think those were good things because they were making it easier for people to access the content they wanted. That's the exact opposite of what Drew is proposing.

Others might think they're bad things because they were making it harder for people to access the ads they wanted.

Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

#197
post #177

This whole thing is a non-issue, not sure why Drew is overreacting to this extent. FOSDEM is a not-for-profit org. They run on sponsorships and donations. Many sponsors are what we would consider to be part of Big Evil Tech. The last year I was at the FOSDEM beer event, Google sponsored many rounds of beer, in addition to helping pay for the conference. All the money that goes into FOSDEM is invested in subsequent ed…

FOSDEM organiser since 2001 here. I'm sure you meant to help, but a factual inaccuracy crept into your comment. FOSDEM has never ever scheduled any talk or other content in exchange for money. There is an absolute consensus within the organising all-volunteer team to stay that course. Our goal is to bring free and open source software developers together at a yearly conference. We manage income and expenses very care…

My bad, Mark, I misunderstood the motivations behind the Dorsey talk. I'm afraid I can no longer edit my previous comment, but consider that part retracted.

Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

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I don't know how someone could look at Dorsey/Musk/Bezos actions and still be interested in what they have to say. There's probably a lot to be learned from someone who worships money, assuming that your goal is to emulate them. However their lifestyle and ideology is inherently dangerous to workers and life on earth as we know it. So yeah I don't really care what they have to say beyond knowing how the enemy views t…

Sorry. When I look at Musk I see self landing rockets, electric cars , star link etc. Obviously he seems to be quite close to truth since without getting close to reality you can't do any of these since Physics is brutal and does not reward any false assumptions. So that gives me a sense that Musk is much closer to truth than most people out there. What am I missing?

I think this makes a great argument for Sharia Law as created during the Islamic Golden Age. I don't think there's any period of time with more scientific advancement. Astronomy, architecture, calculus, statistics, physics, chemistry, biology, medicine... You name it, they improved it. Does this means their legal system must be "closer to truth" too?

Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

#199
post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FOSDEM organiser since 2001 here. I'm sure you meant to help, but a factual inaccuracy crept into your comment. FOSDEM has never ever scheduled any talk or other content in exchange for money. There is an absolute consensus within the organising all-volunteer team to stay that course. Our goal is to bring free and open source software developers together at a yearly conference. We manage income and expenses very care…

My bad, Mark, I misunderstood the motivations behind the Dorsey talk. I'm afraid I can no longer edit my previous comment, but consider that part retracted.

No worries. Thank you for your friendly reply.

Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

#200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You see, there's the crux -- if one's a billionaire, one is obviously hoarding money as in not using any significant amount of it to the benefit of society and definitely not to help open-source which is the topic of FOSDEM. Otherwise one would not be a billionaire. By this logic, billionaires are off-topic to FOSDEM. Thus what are billionaires doing speaking on FOSDEM?

People rarely hoard their money as cash. The benefit to society is in the companies they hold

The guy is famous for companies like Twitter and has a blockchain obsession... Pretty sure you can't just draw a conclusion he's a benefit to society. Def. a benefit to other billionaire shareholders tho. Still off-topic for FOSDEM.
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