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Re: GitHub Git Operations Are Down

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Post by notpushkin »

deathanatos wrote: post #148
macintux wrote: post #118

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The nice thing about git, from my perspective, is that if your entire hosted service vanishes, you can still reconstruct what you need from your users’ working directories. All of the important branches should be there. Somewhere. And any important integration branches that aren’t cached can be reconstructed. Of all the many dependencies on cloud services, git is by far the last I’d worry overly much about.

The source code, perhaps, but a good many of the orgs I've worked at also use Github for PRs, Actions (CI), and for triggering deployments. Those things take time to setup, and across a whole org, I wouldn't want to have to have an unplanned change to another vendor. In particular, I've moved a CI for a large repository between different CI systems. It was anything but trivial: you want to believe "it's just a YAML t…

Totally agree (and also that’s the reason I think all CI ecosystems are a nightmare nowadays).

But GitHub Actions are somewhat portable: there’s the standalone act [0] runner, and the Forgejo/Gitea Actions (e.g. on Codeberg [1]) that use act under the hood and are pretty much drop-in replacement – they even use GitHub-hosted actions transparently. It might not be a 100% compatible standard, but it’s pretty nice. It would be nice for others to follow lead!

[0]: https://nektosact.com/

[1]: https://docs.codeberg.org/ci/actions/

Re: GitHub Git Operations Are Down

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Post by jcims »

bgrainger wrote: post #190
thayne wrote: post #189

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Let's say you self-host Github. Now you are responsible for maintaining uptime, and you have less expertise with the service and less resources to dedicate to keeping it up, so it's going to be hard to match, much less exceed the uptime of Github cloud. And it doesn't protect you from a "forced exit" either. Github could terminate your contract, and change the terms of the license in a way that you found unacceptable…

We self-host GitHub using GitHub Enterprise Server. It is a mature product that requires next-to-no maintenance and is remarkably stable. (We did have a period of downtime caused by running it on an underprovisioned VM for our needs, but since resolving that it hasn't had problems.) Of course we have a small and mostly unchanging number of users, don't have to deal with DDoS attacks, and can schedule the fairly-infre…

Things start to go sideways when you have tens of thousands of users.

Re: GitHub Git Operations Are Down

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Post by p-e-w »

theultdev wrote: post #56
cyanydeez wrote: post #42

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Thats mostly because of herdmentality not because of a considered approach. Decentralization assumes the majority are anti social.

How so? Decentralization can be hidden from the user, it's an implementation detail. There's literally a popular decentralized social network. It's less about the tech, and more about the execution . Historically we can look at LimeWire or PopcornTime as an example. Both decentralized, both popular due to the ease-of-use.

> There's literally a popular decentralized social network.

No there isn't. Not a single one.

There are a few federated social networks, which is a fancy way of saying that they are centralized networks that have (or can have, in principle) more than one "center".

In practice, the overwhelming majority of users of such networks gravitate towards one or a handful of large providers. And many of those providers actually refuse to federate with other providers unless they follow an ever-growing list of politically-charged rules. This is just centralization with extra steps.

Re: GitHub Git Operations Are Down

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Post by Dylan16807 »

confooseddd wrote: post #165
Groxx wrote: post #142

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I agree that Git has more of a claim to this than Facebook, but that's kinda like saying a turtle is more of a car than a banana is a car. Like, yes, it's true. Unlike a banana, turtles have 4 movement-enabling things, they use them to move mostly forward and backwards and not sideways, and other things can ride on them. It's probably more of a car. But it's not a car. Git has no issue tracker. It's really not a cont…

A CI infra just needs to communicate. It can communicate over email, like it does for the kernel. A bug tracker is just assorted communication. One can easily build it over email. You're just indulging in hyperbole for the sake of it. Nobody said git has an issue tracker in it.

> You're just indulging in hyperbole for the sake of it. Nobody said git has an issue tracker in it.

Yes they did. That's what this comment thread is about. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42691624

(Unless you're splitting some really fine hairs about what "in it" means?)

Re: GitHub Git Operations Are Down

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Post by kspacewalk2 »

vrosas wrote: post #132
kspacewalk2 wrote: post #65

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Counterpoint: it's a 45 minute outage once in a blue moon. Very small price to pay for the convenience of a centralized VCS with many features that aren't easy to reliably set up in standalone installations.

Once in a blue moon? It’s like, monthly at best.

When was the last time you noticed? Not saw a HN post, but it actually stopped you from pushing commits or commenting on an issue or whatever?

Re: GitHub Git Operations Are Down

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Post by Dylan16807 »

bastardoperator wrote: post #83
crest wrote: post #13

It's almost as if only Git is distributed, but people sold out to Github for convenience. Too bad Git lacks a distributed bug tracker and wiki system like Fossil. Guess Github has to fail a lot more for things to change.

It's this type of negativity ruining the internet. Nothing thoughtful to say, nothing to add, and hoping for failure. I hope everything is okay over there...

They want people motivated to design systems that can handle github going down. That doesn't strike me as negativity, and especially not negativity ruining the internet. It's not the most thoughtful thing in the world but it's a reasonable opinion, and most comments are also not the most thoughtful things in the world.

Re: GitHub Git Operations Are Down

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Post by ikiris »

Over2Chars wrote: post #161
parpfish wrote: post #154

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Yes, but if it’s somebody else’s data center it’s on them to figure out how to earthquake proof or whatever. The cloud isnt just renting a computer, it’s renting a computer with a guarantee of uptime that somebody else can be financially liable for

If Jeff is using DataCenter XYZ, and then letting me use his API to manage my VMs on his "cloud", and I decide to rent a cage at the exact same DataCenter XYZ on my own servers, I'm now "self-hosting". Same Datacenter. Same reliability infrastructure wise - power, earthquakes, tsunami, typhoons, black plague, monkey pox, etc.

You seem to equate the some straw man version of the cloud to simple rack hosting in a single location. They are nothing alike. A cloud service is almost always geographically diverse and highly available in a way that is beyond most people to build out.

Re: GitHub Git Operations Are Down

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Post by ikiris »

fragmede wrote: post #63
adamtaylor_13 wrote: post #53

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I don’t know anyone beyond hobbyist hackers who want to set up and maintain this stuff for themselves. As a professional software developer, I want tools that just work that I can rely on. GitHub 99.99% uptime is something I can rely on.

It was down for ~45 mins according to the linked page page, which would put it at 99.897% uptime for the month, assuming no other downtime.

And if your central hub for your distributed vcs needs more than 2-3 9s of uptime for your service to be reliable, honestly you’ve done something really wrong in the design phase like using version control as a database.

Re: GitHub Git Operations Are Down

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Post by Dylan16807 »

adamtaylor_13 wrote: post #53
crest wrote: post #13

It's almost as if only Git is distributed, but people sold out to Github for convenience. Too bad Git lacks a distributed bug tracker and wiki system like Fossil. Guess Github has to fail a lot more for things to change.

I don’t know anyone beyond hobbyist hackers who want to set up and maintain this stuff for themselves. As a professional software developer, I want tools that just work that I can rely on. GitHub 99.99% uptime is something I can rely on.

> GitHub 99.99% uptime is something I can rely on.

Their enterprise level SLA is only 99.9% (measured quarterly) and the remedy is a 10% credit, increasing to a 25% credit if they drop below 99%.

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