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Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by floxy »

solardev wrote: post #165
i80and wrote: post #93

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For a while, if you wanted a long range EV you could actually cross the country with, Tesla was it. That's just not true anymore -- I'm coming up on year three with my non-Tesla, and it's been perfect, road trips and all. Tesla still has its brand recognition and inertia in its favor, but it's tougher for them when you can get equally good if not better cars elsewhere.

May I ask what kind of car it is and where the road trips are from/to? The last time I rented an EV in the SF Bay Area (a year or two ago, a Leaf), I had trouble even finding enough charging stations just to get around the area, like from SF to the South Bay and then to Santa Cruz. The few chargers I did find had several broken stations, multiple people waiting in line for the one working one, and it was very expensi…

The public fast-charging situation is a lot better for anything that that has a CCS1 or Tesla/NACS port. Which is pretty much everything that isn't a Leaf. The 2011-2025 Leafs use the bulky CHAdeMO port for DC fast charging, which didn't catch on. The completely redesigned 2026 Leaf should be transitioning to NACS though.

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/nissan/leaf/2026/

...also, pretty much anything other than the Chevy Bolt will fast-charge at a rate at least 2-3 times faster than the Leaf and possible even faster than that (depending on model).

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by bdangubic »

mbesto wrote: post #126
bryanlarsen wrote: post #114

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> My friend said it best: "EVs are great second cars" I disagree. We've had an EV for ~5 years now, and have put about 10x as many miles on it as we have on our gasoline vehicle. The gasoline vehicle is the second car, and the EV is what we prefer for road trips. > your tires wear 20~30% faster Not in my experience, I'm getting 70k from a set of tires, which is comparable to previous cars. Just because a car can acce…

> Not in my experience Anecdotal. Just do a few google searches and the data says 20~30%. Torque, weight, etc. all conclude this. Just go into a discount tire and the guys will tell you this is true. > Just because a car can accelerate quickly doesn't mean you should. You've reinforced my point - which is most people don't know how to drive EVs with maintenance in mind. > NTesla's and BMW i3's from ~2013 are testing…

So then why not warrant against it if this is so certain? Also, ICE gas tanks don't get smaller over time.

The warrant the same and more than what is powertrain warranty on ICE. this worry about battery is just silly, especially newer batteries. I had more trouble with ICE once I hit 100k than with the EV. Personally, with 11-year old Tesla S - still on original brakes (you don't really brake with regen braking) - battery is at 90% (free supercharging so the car has basically always been supercharged) - replaced tires once, at 60k - had to replace a model to move to 5G - have incurred not a single penny of other expenses in the last 11 years

which is most people don't know how to drive EVs with maintenance in mind.

so basically what you are saying here would be like if I took my iphone and put it in the oven and then complained that it doesn't work quite like it should...

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by llamaimperative »

KerrAvon wrote: post #173
FloorEgg wrote: post #157

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You are disengaged from consensus reality if you don’t understand why thinking the 2020 election was in any way fraudulent is an extreme view.

I agree but I think s/he showed good faith with the rest of the comment and shouldn't be flagged.

GP's surprise that Taibbi (author of the Twitter Files, hired by Musk) said "there is no evidence of government involvement in the laptop story" is great evidence of the fact that many people just live in informational wormholes.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by bdangubic »

mrguyorama wrote: post #185
jiggawatts wrote: post #180

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My prediction is that Elon will be forced out of Tesla one way or another and then the company will quietly release a truck that will look vaguely like a Model S, but truck shaped and sized. It will be popular.

CAN Tesla still design cars? They haven't done so in like a decade. Also Tesla cannot force Elon out, the stock would crater so bad. Also the board is 100% in his pocket, did you not see the nonsense with his "pay package"?

The main reason stock would crater so bad is that Elon is amazing salesman of shit he doesn't have and shit he has that doesn't work. His replacement would have to be just as savvy of a "salesman" to sell investor on "robotaxis" and other BS that leads to such an evaluation

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by archagon »

bko wrote: post #68
davidw wrote: post #14

I'm nearly 50. I'm used to the idea of businesses owners having different politics than my own, but mostly that was the sort of self-interested "I'm wealthy and I think wealthy people should pay fewer taxes and their businesses should be subject to fewer regulations" sorts of things. You can disagree without thinking they're necessarily Bad People or worthy of boycotting their businesses. Indeed, it's the hallmark of…

The upside of having an outspoken public figure at the head is that he's in charge and takes ownership. It's pretty wild that you can have some failure in your Tesla, and you can just tweet about it and if its a compelling issue you'll get the CEO to respond and address it directly. Imagine trying to get the attention of someone from Ford. I don't know if you can have it both ways. Either you're a faceless soulless c…

He can also disable your car remotely if you mess around with the innards too much. Or otherwise target you for harassment if you annoy him.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by archagon »

benjaminwootton wrote: post #43
avgDev wrote: post #16

It is only going to get worse for Tesla. Musk went all in extreme right-wing. Even though most "green" buyers are left leaning. I started disliking Musk after his pedo comments in regards to the cave rescuers. The smart/geeky/techy guy is a facade. I mainly would not consider Tesla because of Musk. The poor build quality just reinforces that stance.

I'm not really anti Elon, in fact I agree with a lot of what he says, but I just cannot get over that paedo comment. That said a lot about his character.

He also recently called for the execution of a government witness: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...

The mask is completely off at this point.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by parineum »

ashoeafoot wrote: post #167
camhart wrote: post #64

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I'd argue inflation and high interest rates have a large impact too. When every day necessities (shelter, food, healthcare, education) are +30% at a minimum, there's not a lot leftover for fancy cars for most Americans.

Economic self strangulation induced via the wealth gap. Its going to be economically impossible to build anything but luxury shoes next.

I could explain to a child how printing new money causes inflation, which we did twice since COVID.

How does the wealth gap cause inflation?

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by archagon »

sidcool wrote: post #4

Why's there so much hate for Tesla here on HN?

Self-driving is a bucket of lies and a travesty with regard to safety and ethics when compared to something like Waymo.

Lots of questionable design decisions clearly coming from the top, such as capacitive/touch controls for everything (turn signals? horn?!) and, well, the entire Cybertruck.

Mediocre build quality. Dated body designs. Lack of CarPlay.

Comically overvalued stock.

The CEO’s repulsive politics and behavior.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by davidw »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #85
avgDev wrote: post #81

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I don't think Tesla can get rid of Musk. If investors saw Tesla as just a car company the stock would collapse. Musk keeps making promises and breaking them, but it seems to pump the stock thus far.

> don't think Tesla can get rid of Musk They can't and they shouldn't. Tesla has a solid business. It just looks like it may have capped out its growth prospects in the U.S. and Europe. (In vehicles.)

If Tesla's valuation reflected its value as a regular car company like, say, Toyota, it would be vastly lower. Shareholders would lose oodles of money.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by technion »

pton_xd wrote: post #47
UndefinedRef wrote: post #2

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After owning a Model Y for a year I have to say -- it's the best car I've ever had. Comfortable ride, the visibility with the cameras is great, amazing all-weather traction. It's freakin' fast. The voice-to-navigate works nearly 99% of the time which, given my experiences with Alexa and Siri, is quite impressive. All the usual EV caveats apply though. Being able to charge at home is a must. Living in a cold weather s…

The "being able to charge at home" is why I recently purchased an petrol powered Subaru.

But every online comment and guide telling people to simply install a charger in their driveway assumes a certain amount of privilege, and I feel a lot of this discussion just assumes everyone has that privilege. I'm currently living in an apartment, my underground car park has no power runs anywhere near my car. Before that I lived in a rented house, and getting permission to install anything that required drilling a single hole would have been a non starter.

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