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38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by bowsamic »

wkat4242 wrote: post #51
jazzyjackson wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really a pretty strong web of trust system, if you know anyone who's volunteered previous years there are vouchers floating around by word of mouth. If you don't know anyone in the community, purchasing a ticket online is a crapshoot. IMO this is a feature not a bug.

For me the price of accommodation is pretty prohibitive. It's one of the most expensive times of the year and Germany is also one of the most expensive countries in Europe. I've looked at it once but the hotels were too expensive for me (I think it was in Hamburg then). But it's ok, I can watch it online. I don't like travelling during this busy period anyway.

Hamburg is also one of the most expensive cities in Germany

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by bowsamic »

BoingBoomTschak wrote: post #138
imiric wrote: post #68

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> I also noted how far-left and anti-capitalistic many talks/speaker are. Why is this suprising? The hacker culture is rooted in anti-establishment philosophy, spun off from the hippy movement of the 1960s. This is not a regional thing. It's more than a bit ironic that this site is called "hacker news", yet is hosted by a company that holds opposite ideals. :) The term "hacker" has largely lost its original meaning,…

The establishment has changed "a bit", though.

Are you saying that the establishment is anti capitalist?

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by fragmede »

mr_mitm wrote: post #121
dpassens wrote: post #113

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Can't you just use a semicolon to do the same in English? And even if not, just because an idea is split over several sentences doesn't mean you can't communicate it. That's what paragraphs are for.

You can, and probably should. Texts like Kant are borderline incomprehensible even to native Germans and seem to only serve the author's need for displaying their intelligence. The ideas they are conveying are not that complex. Relativistic quantum theory or string theory can be expressed in English (plus math, while it's not like math wouldn't be needed in German) just fine, so I really don't understand where these…

It's not that English can't express some things at all, but that there are words in German that aren't neatly translated to a English word. Schadenfreude is one German word that's been brought over by a certain writer. It's the joy of seeing someone else's misfortune. That's six-words to express what German can do in one, and for a poet or a wordsmith, that just won't do. If you're dubbing a German TV show, how're you going to fit those six words when the a character yells that one word. Smush it in and hope for the best? So it's still translatable into English, it's just clumsy. As are all translations, really. So German isn't special in that regard, plenty of languages share that quality. And no, the Inuit don not have 37 words for snow.

Torschlusspanik is the fear that time is running out for eg a career change. Weltschmerz is a deep melancholic sadness about the state of the world or life. Hopefully someone who actually speaks German can give greater nuance to those definitions and maybe some other examples.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by Mathnerd314 »

TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #4

What talks are people most interested in? It looks like Joscha Bach [0] is continuing his "From Computation to Consciousness" series. I've enjoyed some of his older talks so I'll probably check out this new entry as well. A few of the science talks related to biology also seem really interesting, although it reminds me of how much I'm lacking in understanding and knowledge of the topic. It looks like there's a big fo…

https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/H... looks fun. Also https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/P...

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by saturn8601 »

dtquad wrote: post #10

38 years of advocacy for more degrowth and regulations in Europe.

ain't that the damn truth! I was at 37C3 and they had these knucklehead presenters advocating to essentially pass legislation to have people take more public transport like buses and they were proposing this as a worldwide solution while also criticizing companies like Tesla that they are just "green washing".

I had to be the first to line up to a mic to give them a piece of my mind. I asked them have they even been to the US(many Europeans just cannot internalize the true scale of the country)

Also asked what are they going to do when the populations starts to lash out against these forced proposals and turn to the far side of the other aisle in response. They didn't seem convinced and got applause for their response.

Well given that a year has passed and the political shockwaves we have seen all around the world, I had the last laugh (unfortunately).

I also realized how much of a bubble these 'enlightened hackers' are in. They are so convinced of their intelligence that they just totally reject what the populations of the world are really thinking. It was really an eye opening moment for me as I have been a fan of CCC for decades since I was a little kid.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by saturn8601 »

xnacly wrote: post #140
tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #30

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CCC has a mix of talks from deeply technical to political/societal, and the latter are heavily left/environmentalist slanted.

Yeah but thats a good thing :)

No it is not. It leads to blind spots and a poor understanding of whats really happening in the world when you are presenting niche ideas as if they are the future thats just around the corner. CCC really needs to vet these speakers better or else just give up and invite anyone to present nonsense.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by saturn8601 »

imiric wrote: post #68
ralfd wrote: post #25

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Your snark is a bit unfair. But I also noted how far-left and anti-capitalistic many talks/speaker are. I guess it shows the power differential between US vs Europe/Germany and also the difference between disrupting American and risk-averse European culture? Super smart people in the Bay Area found startups to get rich (and invent the future). Super smart people in Germany can only go into academia and research how t…

> I also noted how far-left and anti-capitalistic many talks/speaker are. Why is this suprising? The hacker culture is rooted in anti-establishment philosophy, spun off from the hippy movement of the 1960s. This is not a regional thing. It's more than a bit ironic that this site is called "hacker news", yet is hosted by a company that holds opposite ideals. :) The term "hacker" has largely lost its original meaning,…

We come to these conferences to "see where the puck is moving to" not to hear someone's fantasy tales. So far this has been true in the technical tracks. How many times have there been a talk at CCC that was the unveiling of new ways of thinking in tech? Too many to count.

CCC also has a strong history of debuting talks in the social track that really moved the needle in the 2010s. Think about the Wikileaks talks or Snowden or how about the Snowden Angels?

Recently this has not been the case in the social tracks (they got this past years political changes extremely wrong) and so the question is where is the conference making a mistake and how to course correct?

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by [deleted] »

blacklion wrote: post #95
Simon_O_Rourke wrote: post #55

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There are a lot of "Red" (Ethics, Society & Politics) talks. And a lot of "Yellow" (Art & Beauty) too. I don't say it is bad thing, as all "our" tries to be "be out-of-politic" and "don't bring politic to our beloved technology" is why we are where we are now (in rather sad world, IMHO).

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Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by [deleted] »

bijant wrote: post #188
arrrg wrote: post #137

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You went into women only spaces with the obvious intent to troll. Quote: „Deshalb ist der Chaos Computer Club nach seiner Satzung und nach dem Willen der Mitglieder eine galaktische Gemeinschaft für alle Lebensformen. Als solche wollen wir allen Teilnehmenden eine sichere und schöne Erfahrung auf unseren Veranstaltungen bieten, unabhängig von Alter, geschlechtlicher und sexueller Identität, körperlichen und geistigen…

Well that is your interpretation. The semi-official transgender association of germany approved my application for a female id which allowed me entry into female only spaces as a matter of german law. If you have a problem with that law don't take it up with me, talk to lawmakers.

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