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Post by 01100011 »

PleasureBot wrote: post #116
JSDevOps wrote: post #80

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Putting on my tinfoil hat for this: It sounds like parallel construction to me. I wonder if the FBI doesn't want it to get out what kind of technology the US government can use to track citizens in real time. Something like 24/7 facial recognition running in major chains like McDonalds. The police showing up for a random tip in the boonies in PA fast enough to actually catch the guy at McDonalds and he just happens t…

Yeah I think it's very easy to forget we live in a surveillance state. Periodically something happens that lets us see it but we somehow, as a society, stop talking about it and next time something like this happens we're surprised.

We have the DEA and other three-letter agencies stashing cameras all over highways and even in residential areas.

We have mass surveillance of communications.

We have license plate readers everywhere.

We literally carry tracking devices everywhere we go.

Our cars also have their own tracking devices.

Facial recognition(and probably other recognition tech like gait) is widespread.

We have systems that can mass surveil entire cities from the sky.

And these are just the confirmed systems that we know about.

Parallel construction is frequently used and it's not even a secret at this point.

That said, don't underestimate the ability of a criminal, even a smart one, to screw up. As a group of smart engineers, we all know too well that even smart people make mistakes. They make even more mistakes when they're operating outside of their domain and under pressure/nervous. It shouldn't be surprising that the perp got caught.

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Post by Melatonic »

lawlessone wrote: post #133
qzw wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if the McDonald's employee really recognized him from those couple of off-angle photos or if Mr. Mangione himself initiated the action in order to let someone "deserving" collect the reward. It seems to me that he wanted to be caught, and the amount of evidence that he was carrying on him is obviously meant to establish his identity beyond any doubt. The amount of meticulous planning he undertook for the act…

>or if Mr. Mangione himself initiated the action in order to let someone "deserving" collect the reward. this is a really interesting idea

Very - if he hates corporate elite than a random underpaid McDonalds employee getting 50K or 60K or whatever it is might line up with that

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Post by davorak »

astrange wrote: post #90
Bjorkbat wrote: post #66

I'm weirdly not too surprised due to this belief I have that software developers would make effective criminals. A lot of this boils down to a belief I have that not getting caught in the first place is easy. Murders have something like a 50% solve rate and you can decrease your chances of getting caught with a little knowledge on how to evade common forensic techniques along with some planning. Those who get caught…

More importantly, engineers are for some reason especially likely to be terrorists. https://eprints.lse.ac.uk/29836/1/Why_are_there_so_many_Engi... I think it's related to old physicist brain where you decide you know everything about everyone else's field. https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2012-03-21

> More importantly, engineers are for some reason especially likely to be terrorists.

Seems more likely you learn about engineers who become terrorists because they have the tools/knowhow/resources to pull something off. Without that it seems like it is more likely to get caught, give up, or do something no one would label terrorism.

edit - and it seems likely that this stat encourages terrorists organization to send members to get those degrees and recruit from engineers so it might be self reenforcing to boot.

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Post by jmyeet »

imglorp wrote: post #75

His Goodreads comment on Ted Kacyzinski's book (better known for other work). https://i.redd.it/j9n3oplojv5e1.jpeg

Personally, I don't put a lot of weight on that. Particularly for people who are terminally online, the Unabomber manifesto is kinda "edgy content". A lot of these people want to come off as "edgy". He had Mein Kampf in his Goodreads profile too. Without other evidence, I don't think that really says anything either.

Good example: his Goodreads had "Introduction to Algorithms" in it. This is the de facto textbook at MIT, Stanford, etc and likely UPenn (where he got his undergrad and Masters). Does that mean he read it? Not necessarily.

Put it this way: the number of people who have read Knuth's volumes is a lot smaller than those who own them as essentially expensive bookends or paperweights. But it's a nice way to signal your technical chops.

All of these things need to be taken in a broader context.

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Post by Smar »

qzw wrote: post #68
breadwinner wrote: post #44

He was carrying all of the evidence with him, including the fake ID he used at the hostel, the gun & suppressor, mask, and even a handwritten manifesto that points to his motivation. It seems he wanted to be found.

Exactly my thoughts as well. Every piece of evidence law enforcement has was basically intentionally provided by him. If he just stuffed his trash in one of his 7 pockets, or wore a pair of sunglasses, or didn't actually stare straight at the camera in the taxi like he was getting his school picture taken? I mean pretty much the only thing he failed to do was leave his business card at the crime scene.

But the calling card needs to be left the previous day.

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Post by relaxing »

ks2048 wrote: post #187
imglorp wrote: post #75

His Goodreads comment on Ted Kacyzinski's book (better known for other work). https://i.redd.it/j9n3oplojv5e1.jpeg

Final sentence is telling (among others): "Violence never solved anything" is a statement uttered by cowards and predators. Although I'm not sure what "predators" means here. Don't predators use violence?

Yes. They say it because they want to be the sole wielders of violence.

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft »

qzw wrote: post #53
avalys wrote: post #13

> Police revealed that finding the 26-year-old was a complete surprise, and that they did not have his name on a list of suspects prior to today. "I'd rather be lucky than good!" Impressive that they do seem to have found the right guy, based on the documents in his possession, and this was apparently due solely to the one photograph of his face that the police found and released. I also note that this guy apparently…

I wonder if the McDonald's employee really recognized him from those couple of off-angle photos or if Mr. Mangione himself initiated the action in order to let someone "deserving" collect the reward. It seems to me that he wanted to be caught, and the amount of evidence that he was carrying on him is obviously meant to establish his identity beyond any doubt. The amount of meticulous planning he undertook for the act…

>in order to let someone "deserving" collect the reward.

Government rewards are always fake. They never pay out. Ever. The one guy who made it possible to catch Chapo is still "waiting" for his payout. If you're going to be a snitch, I guess you need to do it for the principle of the thing, there won't be any cash in your future.

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Post by aithrowawaycomm »

jmyeet wrote: post #183

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I don't think left-wing or right-wing makes sense here, it's small-l liberalism versus authoritarianism. In particular a lot of authoritarians are ideologically shallow and happy to adopt leftist/rightist beliefs opportunistically.

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Post by xyst »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #152
imglorp wrote: post #75

His Goodreads comment on Ted Kacyzinski's book (better known for other work). https://i.redd.it/j9n3oplojv5e1.jpeg

More or less lays out his motive right there. I disagree with his thoughts on violence. When you try to solve a problem by inviting violence to dinner you'll find you have a guest you are unable to excuse.

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