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Unless my phone can be a PC, I don't want to keep paying for extra performance

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Re: Unless my phone can be a PC, I don't want to keep paying for extra performance

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Ubuntu Edge [1] was a Linux phone proposed in 2013 that never got built, but today we have the Purism Librem 5 [2] which becomes a full Linux desktop when plugged into a monitor.

[1]: https://ubuntu.com/blog/ubuntu-edge

[2]: https://puri.sm/posts/a-librem-5-video-made-on-a-librem-5/

Re: Unless my phone can be a PC, I don't want to keep paying for extra performance

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A smartphone is an appliance like a washing machine or a blender. It should just work. I will gladly pay extra for appliances that perform well. I will gladly pay extra for appliances that require no maintenance and can’t be broken. If I want something unreliable I can program or hack, I will go to a real PC.

A smartphone is first of all a data collection and ad distribution device.

That may be a vendors perspective. What is the users perspective?

Re: Unless my phone can be a PC, I don't want to keep paying for extra performance

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It's funny, as my phone (A 2022 Moto Razr) can work as PC, if I plug it into a monitor with it's USB-C port. I can plug it into a monitor, and plug a mouse and keyboard into the monitor's inbuilt USB-C hub, and it works just fine. Has a desktop mode and everything! If the monitor doesn't have a hub in it, I can use the phone as a mouse/touchpad! Plus, if the monitor supports it, it'll even keep it charged rather than…

All high end Samsung phones can do this as well (DEX).

Not the ones that compete with the aforementioned Razr, unfortunately.

Re: Unless my phone can be a PC, I don't want to keep paying for extra performance

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It's funny, as my phone (A 2022 Moto Razr) can work as PC, if I plug it into a monitor with it's USB-C port. I can plug it into a monitor, and plug a mouse and keyboard into the monitor's inbuilt USB-C hub, and it works just fine. Has a desktop mode and everything! If the monitor doesn't have a hub in it, I can use the phone as a mouse/touchpad! Plus, if the monitor supports it, it'll even keep it charged rather than…

Interesting, I wouldn't mind an Android phone that can do similar, but I'm not looking for a clamshell. For anyone else who, like me, is naive about such things, the key search terms seem to be: DisplayPort alternate mode over USB-C. Support seems patchy.

Re: Unless my phone can be a PC, I don't want to keep paying for extra performance

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With USB-C, surely we are at the point where we can plug our phones into a hub with a couple of monitors attached and get a proper desktop environment?

You just described most Android phones. The features are already there. They are just not that useful for 99% of users.

Re: Unless my phone can be a PC, I don't want to keep paying for extra performance

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To expand upon that point: a new feature for smartphones that really takes off has to fall in one of two categories: 1. so incredibly convenient to always have with you, that everyone's willing to overlook shortcomings compared to dedicated equipment. Prime example: camera. 2. Offer a new type of use that is widely considered desirable. Example: mobile access to Internet. Most use cases either cater to too few people…

Does it have to take off though? The GP seems to be basically saying the same thing as many others have expressed. They want their phone to basically be a PC. Whether that involves upgrading, installing your own OS, or otherwise just being able to use it for an arbitrary workload. I don't know why the market is such, that expensive phones remove features, such as extra sim card slots, sd card slots or head phone jack…

Why have these features built in if you can have a usb back case/device with them?

There are many back cases for specialised functionality like PoS, Ir camera etc.

Also, with many cases you can have devices connecting wirelessly via bluetooth - e.g. I bought a bluetooth trichiscope recently.

Making a specialised phone instead of a plugin is a way more expensive option. And in risky if the market is so small that nobody did a plugin first.

There were I think two companies that tried to build a modular phone where you could eg replace camera with a module of your own design - the issue was that they were bulkier and more expensive than a regular design - you can’t cheat physics.

Also, how much more would you be willing to pay for such a phone? Could you pay 2-3x the price and be happy with upgrades every 3-5 years, and the phone having electronics that are 1-3 years behind the top of the line ones on the start? Because that’s the reality of production with niche products.

Re: Unless my phone can be a PC, I don't want to keep paying for extra performance

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Acting like PC is only half of the way, the other half is actually Me being the 100% owner of what is happening on the device. No DRM, No locks, No attestation, No 'software only from vendor stores'. If there is even a single situation where device tells me 'Sorry Dave' then its not my device, Im not the owner.

Re: Unless my phone can be a PC, I don't want to keep paying for extra performance

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It's funny, as my phone (A 2022 Moto Razr) can work as PC, if I plug it into a monitor with it's USB-C port. I can plug it into a monitor, and plug a mouse and keyboard into the monitor's inbuilt USB-C hub, and it works just fine. Has a desktop mode and everything! If the monitor doesn't have a hub in it, I can use the phone as a mouse/touchpad! Plus, if the monitor supports it, it'll even keep it charged rather than…

All high end Samsung phones can do this as well (DEX).

Can confirm, S22 ultra when plugged into Dell docking box (or whatever its called, not a typical docking station, it just connects with laptop via thick USB-C cable) works out of box, with mouse and keyboard.

Firefox with ublock origin works very well for example. The only thing is it doesn't adjust automatically to native screen resolution (1600p in my case). But its still just an Android, even with full filesystem access it feels vastly subpar to normal desktop PC if I need more than just browsing or other android apps.

Re: Unless my phone can be a PC, I don't want to keep paying for extra performance

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the reason is that after you got used to full-sized keyboards, typing on a tiny screen portion with any software keyboard is just a pain. I cannot type more than several words on a smartphone without getting annoyed.

As a counterpoint I type at around 90wpm on a physical keyboard (preference is for low carry), but thumb type over 130wpm on a modestly large touch screen keyboard. The quality of the auto-correction afforded by the operating system matters quite a bit.

Yeah sure, but how does that work e.g. for code? I wrote 75% of my MA thesis on my phone while waiting for the bus. But that is text that the keyboard was good at predicting — when you have to write a lot of cryptic symbols all of that falls apart pretty quickly.
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