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UnitedHealth's Effort to Deny Coverage for a Patient's Care (2023)

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Re: UnitedHealth's Effort to Deny Coverage for a Patient's Care (2023)

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Post by willis936 »

samatman wrote: post #96
77pt77 wrote: post #32

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And all it takes is one juror being inflexible.

That's all it takes for a hung jury, yes. In which case the prosecution will have plenty of grounds to screen for that in the next trial, that next trial will happen, and then the guy gets convicted of first degree murder. Presuming he's found in the first place. There's no world in which all twelve jurors vote not guilty if the defendant is demonstrated to be the assassin beyond reasonable doubt. That simply won't h…

You need consensus for conviction, not the other way around.

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Post by laimewhisps »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #185
laimewhisps wrote: post #132

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He was killing people though, and if his death stops that, it's a net positive. His life is not worth more than the thousands he has ended for personal profit.

> if his death stops that, it's a net positive One, it doesn’t. Two, this applies in loads of cases depending on your individual morality. (Intentionally-spicy takes: abortion providers. Medical researchers who experiment on animals. Farmers. Meat eaters. Anyone American because of our foreign military interventions.)

When the state's monopoly on violence doesn't protect people, people will find a way to protect themselves.

Re: UnitedHealth's Effort to Deny Coverage for a Patient's Care (2023)

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Post by tumult »

threemux wrote: post #62
griomnib wrote: post #44

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If they aren’t sick and haven’t had to use the system for life saving care, then the numbers from the same surveys you cite are VASTLY different. Please don’t cherry pick misleading data.

I guess you and I have different definitions of vastly. Even 68% people who say they are in "fair" or "poor" health say they're satisfied: https://www.kff.org/private-insurance/poll-finding/kff-surve... There's nothing misleading about the KFF data, which has been going for quite some time now. If you recall (I know it seems like a lifetime ago), Obama got in trouble for lying that people could keep their plan if the…

68% is horrible

Re: UnitedHealth's Effort to Deny Coverage for a Patient's Care (2023)

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Post by willis936 »

AtlasBarfed wrote: post #141
lenerdenator wrote: post #28

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Yeah, he's more of a pain in the death-for-profi... I mean... society's ass alive. Even if a jury does convict, he's in a state with no death penalty and the notoriety and nature of his crime will likely gain him support on the inside. Plus, all the press coverage of the trial gives him a podium... I'd be stunned if he makes it to court.

If he is found and sent to jail it would be fascinating to see how he is viewed on the inside. If there's one thing that crosses almost all class and racial divides, it is our shitty medical care system. My (now passed) uncle was in jail to challenge drug incarceration laws back in the 60s, since the opposition needed a case that wouldnt settle to reach the supreme court. No one would touch him in jail.

I think "stunned if he makes it to court" means "most likely outcome is that he is quietly assassinated by suits".

Re: UnitedHealth's Effort to Deny Coverage for a Patient's Care (2023)

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Post by teractiveodular »

peitho_pls wrote: post #152
quitit wrote: post #115

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>People will say that this is necessary to remain competitive, but it just isn't. In other countries there are private health funds that return all of their profits to their members by simply covering more types of care and lowering premiums, all while still giving their staff very good, very attractive pay. That is clearly a win:win setting without being a government-run entity. A person doesn't need to earn 100M-20…

This article is about someone getting cutting edge care beyond medical literature from the one of the leading experts in the world. I've got to imagine most health funds would simply not be able to cover that type of care for an individual?

Not sure why this is being downvoted. Universal healthcare is great, but even if you're in Sweden they're not going to fly you over to Minnesota to get experimental treatment that costs $1M/year.

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Post by laimewhisps »

mrangle wrote: post #189
lenerdenator wrote: post #70

The events of the last week are just what happens when a company decides to refuse to meet its customers in the marketplace of sane ideas. You could probably have gotten away with what UNH did if the money wasn't so ridiculous. Thompson himself had a compensation package worth $10.2 million[0] a year. It's reasonable to think that other c-suiters at the company, along with those of its parent organization, made simil…

> just what happens It's not "just what happens". That's a politically opportunistic narrative that seeks to incite violence and murder. No one knows why the CEO was killed. None of this type of reasoning justifies or begins to explain the murder even if this were the reason in the shooter's head. Morals aside, it's nonsensical reasoning in total. You're justifying and providing propaganda support for domestic terror…

They printed "defend", "deny", "depose" on the bullets so it's reasonable to assume that was the motive.

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Post by IncreasePosts »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #137
lancesells wrote: post #108

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Have you seen Youtube or Reddit comments on anything? They don't reflect real-life. Youtube is probably the worst, most trollish comments of the "normal" internet and Reddit is a sort of progressive propaganda machine that will also call for the death penalty on a teenager that did something stupid (which lots of teenagers do) or a karen that was an asshole in a restaurant and isn't happy with her life. I haven't vis…

I've had conversations with real people in real life who also overwhelmingly share the sentiment. It's not an internet bubble.

Those people are probably reading the same websites as you.

I swear, users of a site have no kind of memory. Literally a month ago everyone on reddits jaw was agape as trump was declared the winner. After months of redditors telling each other Kamala would win in a landslide and Trump was floundering, and no one was coming to his rallies, etc.

And now they're doing the same thing, telling each other that everyone in America loves that a dude was murdered in the street of NY(with a gun, literally 3' away from a random individual)

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Post by slt2021 »

benmmurphy wrote: post #172
lenerdenator wrote: post #70

The events of the last week are just what happens when a company decides to refuse to meet its customers in the marketplace of sane ideas. You could probably have gotten away with what UNH did if the money wasn't so ridiculous. Thompson himself had a compensation package worth $10.2 million[0] a year. It's reasonable to think that other c-suiters at the company, along with those of its parent organization, made simil…

We don't have an infinite supply of health care and there is a strong demand so there is always going to be some form of rationing going on. There are always going to be people with chronic life ruining conditions that are going to get a raw deal under whatever system you propose to distribute the limited supply of healthcare. It seems like someone is always going to have a justification to kill someone whether its a…

other countries seem like getting a much better deal than Americans.

in fact the same drugs are sold 10-100x cheaper outside US

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Post by mgraczyk »

wat10000 wrote: post #186
mgraczyk wrote: post #161

This guy's condition is tragic, but it's crazy to me that people can read this and come away thinking the insurance companies are the bad guys. Many drugs don't work, they are expensive. If there are no voices in the room saying "we will not pay for expensive drugs that do not work", then healthcare costs will continue spiraling out of control. Single payer healthcare will "solve" this by ensuring that the medication…

That must be why all the stories from countries with single payer health care go, “I got my medicine without any hassle or cost” rather than “I didn’t get my medicine and I died.”

I don't think there is any country outside the US where a healthcare system would have paid for his untested two biologic combination. Do you have any examples?

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Post by [deleted] »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #146
pixelatedindex wrote: post #134

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> But this was also murder. If your sense of empathy is so fucked that you’re pro murder, you need to speak to a professional. A quote comes to mind - “I do not wish death upon another human, but I have read some obituaries with great delight”. This is one of those instances. I have more sympathy for his family than him - he did not have to choose this line of work. Do people have sympathy for Bin Laden or other terr…

> whole thing is a double standard on multiple levels Not really. The double standard is in excusing murder as a political tactic because you don’t like the victim. In this case, the Twitterati will hold their court. And then a real court with real people on the jury will convict. There may also be an inquiry into UnitedHealth, but it will be able to be bludgeoned into partisan death by the law and order bloc. > only…

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