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UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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Post by oceanplexian »

AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #151
marky1991 wrote: post #112

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This entire line of thinking just seems to be essentially advocacy for a return to that exact system. "Do what we want or we'll go back to random murder". I wonder if the original commenter would have put the same comment if the article were "man shoots his wife and her lover on discovery of adultery"

The distinction would be that you can still seek legal redress in court for your spouse committing adultery. It may not be the redress you want , but it would at least get you something, e.g. grounds for divorce. Increasingly, though, people in the United States feel that the rich and powerful have become effectively insulated from the legal system, such that the common person is denied any redress. At that point, on…

> Increasingly, though, people in the United States feel that the rich and powerful have become effectively insulated from the legal system, such that the common person is denied any redress.

They're not insulated from the legal system, the problem is the public is being misled.

It works like this: The media lies to the public and tells them that a CEO or Public Figure is getting away with X, so they get some washed up lawyer to do an opinion piece on it, a politician or two co-opts it, and possibly throws in some bait about the working class being screwed over, and then the public buys the made-up story- hook, line and sinker.

Since TV Law is not the same thing as real law, the person in question is put through actual due process and the allegation or accusation turns out to be unsubstantiated. The public then feels outrage because "The man on TV said this person was a criminal and he got away!".

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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Post by tzs »

berelig wrote: post #10

NYT gift article: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/04/nyregion/shooting-midtown...

It's not working for me. First attempt said that the gift expired. Subsequent attempts just act like non-gift links without telling me that it is an expired gift link.

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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Post by s1artibartfast »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #144
marky1991 wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This entire line of thinking just seems to be essentially advocacy for a return to that exact system. "Do what we want or we'll go back to random murder". I wonder if the original commenter would have put the same comment if the article were "man shoots his wife and her lover on discovery of adultery"

shrug I'm not an accelerationist, I do not want to live in any more historically significant times than I already have. That said, our systems continue to fail us at basically every turn so when I see stuff like this, I'm not surprised either. If you put people in a situation where they feel they have nothing to lose, you shouldn't be surprised when they start acting that way too. People demand justice, whether they'…

>People demand justice, whether they're right to is a secondary concern, as is the methodologies they choose to seek it. Some become activists. Some become politicians. Some pick up guns.

That is a true, but We should discourage and condemn them picking up guns. There is a feedback loop at play

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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Post by oceanplexian »

mikeyouse wrote: post #181
oceanplexian wrote: post #131

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The NYC carry permit is useless and designed that way so the city can lie to the courts and tell them people have the right to carry. You can't carry in like 90% of Manhattan even with the permit. Even carrying in your own apartment is prohibited without an additional permit.

Nah - there's a premise permit that's needed if you only have it in your apartment and carry to the range, but the concealed carry is sufficient to have it in your apartment. And the "90%" of Manhattan you can't carry in is basically Times Square, bars and restaurants, festivals, churches, schools and government buildings.

It was actually prohibited to carry on all forms of private property, until a recent court ruling struck it down. So if you can't carry on public transit, you can't carry it in government buildings, you can't carry it near schools and other public property, you can't use it on private property what is the permit for again?

It's no different than how states used "Poll Taxes" and "Tests" to circumvent the 15th Amendment before the Civil Rights Movement. NYC thinks they are above the law and does everything they can to circumvent it.

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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Post by sokoloff »

flkiwi wrote: post #97
oceanplexian wrote: post #51

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In the interest of brevity, they're not called silencers, they're called suppressors since they don't "silence" anything like in a Hollywood movie. Typically a suppressor will reduce the sound signature of a gunshot from something like 140dBA to 110dBA. Still enough to cause hearing damage and be heard a quarter mile away.

Off-topic, but the US is, oddly, a bit of an outlier compared to some of our cousins on the other side of the Atlantic, where buying one can be an over the counter transaction. It's weird to be in a situation where the US is more restrictive in anything related to firearms, but I assume the European attitude is that it reduces nuisance when gun ownership is more regulated at the front end.

There is an enormous amount of theater in US lawmaking. “I’m doing something about the problem.” (or even just “I proposed legislation that would have done something about the problem…”)

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Post by wing-_-nuts »

busterarm wrote: post #118
jredwards wrote: post #88

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The original use case was hearing protection. The modern tactical use case is that it makes it somewhat harder to tell where a shot came from. In almost no scenario does it actually make a gunshot quiet (maybe a subsonic .22).

You can load subsonic rounds in many calibers, but tbf the best and most convenient options are all embargoed from the US because of Russian sanctions.

I mean .45 is already subsonic right?

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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Post by LargeWu »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #171
HDThoreaun wrote: post #67

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>The main reason for that is because Americans consume too much health care. No, come on man, this is easily googleable. Americans go to the doctor less than other countries, they stay in the hospital less than other countries, they have lower life expectancy, infant and mother mortality than other countries. If you want to know why we spend so damned much, it's because we're billed 2-3x as much for the same care as…

A more apt statement might be that we spend more, even if our quality of care is not better. And the reason we spend more is because of profit-maximizing companies in the middle.

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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Post by s1artibartfast »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #161
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #111

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As someone who endured UHC for several years, I assure you there is no service quality to reduce. > How do they still have that many customers if their service was so bad? Because the people making the decision to purchase UHC services and using UHC services are two wildly different demographics.

How do they still have that many customers if their service was so bad? Do they have an effective monopoly in certain States?

No, they are a top tier health company that offers different options including premium healthcare. If you have 50 million customers, you will have some negative experiences.

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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Post by mikeyouse »

oceanplexian wrote: post #194
mikeyouse wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah - there's a premise permit that's needed if you only have it in your apartment and carry to the range, but the concealed carry is sufficient to have it in your apartment. And the "90%" of Manhattan you can't carry in is basically Times Square, bars and restaurants, festivals, churches, schools and government buildings.

It was actually prohibited to carry on all forms of private property, until a recent court ruling struck it down. So if you can't carry on public transit, you can't carry it in government buildings, you can't carry it near schools and other public property, you can't use it on private property what is the permit for again? It's no different than how states used "Poll Taxes" and "Tests" to circumvent the 15th Amendmen…

Yeah I'm not really interested in the debate around NYC carry laws and technically you're allowed to carry on buses but not trains, but it is certainly one of the most restrictive places in the country.
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