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South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

GardenLetter27 wrote: post #175
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is that really as true as it used to be since COVID? A number of governments enacted quite astonishingly repressive measures Zero countries in the West enacted anything resembling martial law. The only freedoms abridged were those of movement and assembly, and even then the penalty was being shut down or ticketed, rarely jail, never summary execution.

Spain was close - you could only go outside to certain services, and within a radius of your registered address (the police could check your ID card).

> you could only go outside to certain services, and within a radius of your registered address (the police could check your ID card)

This isn't "close" to martial law.

No other freedoms were abridged. The consequence for breaking the rule were mostly fines. And those fines were subject to judicial review, which eventually found them unconstitutional [1].

Under martial law you don't get a court. You don't get a fine or to complain about it online. You get sent to jail or worse; someone checking IDs is going over the top.

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57838615

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by petesergeant »

tankenmate wrote: post #122
petesergeant wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> only hope Westerners don't get fooled by the rhetoric This AP article is written very unsympathetically towards him

Maybe declaring martial law when there isn't a violent overthrow of the government in progress doesn't really garner much sympathy.

Yes brother, that was my point, wrt to the text I quoted

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Post by sfjailbird »

gedy wrote: post #35
drdrek wrote: post #12

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Well the North Koreans are fighting in Ukraine, so if instability in South Korea that may take some pressure off if NK is preoccupied at home.

Probably not, given the lack of actual evidence of this.

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Post by nullhole »

dataflow wrote: post #54

I feel like I'd seen absolutely nothing about South Korea in the news for a long time, and then suddenly woke up to this, with zero context. Do folks have any recommendations for how to keep up with global news at a high level so that you're not completely clueless when something like this happens? Like I mean some sort of "international edition" of an aggregator like Google News, I guess.

I read reuters on a regular basis, and I was surprised

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by udev4096 »

bloomingkales wrote: post #32

Orwell being so right about governments using the constant threat of a virtual enemy has got to be one of the all time top on the money predictions ever. Up there with gravity and shit. I wish we could do something with this information, but alas, knowledge isnt power. Cersei Lannister: Power is power.

Littlefinger: Knowledge is power.

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by [deleted] »

aurareturn wrote: post #67
bloomingkales wrote: post #32

Orwell being so right about governments using the constant threat of a virtual enemy has got to be one of the all time top on the money predictions ever. Up there with gravity and shit. I wish we could do something with this information, but alas, knowledge isnt power. Cersei Lannister: Power is power.

Orwell being so right about governments using the constant threat of a virtual enemy has got to be one of the all time top on the money predictions ever. Who is that virtual enemy for the US?

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Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by jandrese »

nurumaik wrote: post #171
cyberlimerence wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From Yonhap (Korea state news): "Activities related to National Assembly, political parties banned: martial law commander." [1] "Entry, exit from National Assembly blocked after declaration of martial law." [2] [1] https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20241203013900315 [2] https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20241203013200315

Is he going to ban voting next?

I think the next step is just to jail anybody who might vote against him.

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

Uvix wrote: post #185
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is that really as true as it used to be since COVID? A number of governments enacted quite astonishingly repressive measures Zero countries in the West enacted anything resembling martial law. The only freedoms abridged were those of movement and assembly, and even then the penalty was being shut down or ticketed, rarely jail, never summary execution.

Saying it doesn't resemble martial law, and then immediately listing freedoms that were abolished, is a contradiction. Rather than "freedom of movement and assembly", I'd argue that what we lost was "freedom of due process". Everyone was jailed, just in their own homes.

> Saying it doesn't resemble martial law, and then immediately listing freedoms that were abolished, is a contradiction

Your freedom of movement is always restricted around e.g. U.S. military installations. That isn't a contradition, it's an abridgement.

> what we lost was "freedom of due process". Everyone was jailed, just in their own homes

Not what jail means. Not what due process means. Plenty of people broke the restrictions, some might have gotten ticketed. For those who faced jail time, they had access to courts. That is due process. You don't get any of that under martial law.

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