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Re: Engineering Sleep

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Post by alfiedotwtf »

neilwilson wrote: post #170
alfiedotwtf wrote: post #163

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Interesting, thanks for the link! I don’t think 8 hours is a myth, but more like that was what was observed in the 60s when the Stanford Sleep Research Centre by William Dement ran their first experiments on keeping people in white rooms without stimulation until their bodies found a natural rhythm. It would be interesting to know if those experiments have been replicated and if there were any deviations!

I sleep 6 hours a night, always have and almost certainly have FNSS. What's interesting is my daughter has similar symptoms as you and has been diagnosed with Delayed Sleep Phase Disorder (DSPD). She's recently been prescribed a dose of melatonin which she takes an hour before the time she wants to go to sleep. That appears to have helped somewhat.

Interesting you say that - I'm also prescribed melatonin... but I chose to mostly skip it to stay productive i.e I only take it when I /need/ to go to sleep because I need to get up early for something the next day.

But for me, 5mg does tend to knock me out and I can barely stay awake after an hour of taking it.

Re: Engineering Sleep

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Post by raducu »

alfiedotwtf wrote: post #12

I wonder it I have this… Both my parents go to bed around 1am and wake up at 7am, and so did all of my grandparents. My kids on weekends go to bed around 1-2am as well but do sleep in, and my average is about 4-5 hours a night… As for me, I’ve had sleep issues all my life and found the only way to fall asleep within 20 minutes is to stay up until exhaustion. But lately I’ve been gaining back my time and pushing even…

> stay up until exhaustion.

I was like that, and among other remedies (like actually fixing the problems in my life that bother me), my latest last-resort is brisk walking to exhaustion, even very late in the evening. If it's 10:30 and I know I'm in a bad mood to sleep, I just go for a walk in the park for 2 hours and I fall asleep very fast when I return.

It's not ideal and I plan to switch to running, but I'm at a bad place where my cardiovascular fitness is not good enough and if I run for 30 minutes to exhaustion my heart rate stays elevated for more than one hour and running is just too activating.

Walking for 2 hours seems very wasteful right now, but it's what it takes to calm me down enough to fall asleep.

Re: Engineering Sleep

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Post by lccerina »

It bums so much that the "solution" to people suffering sleep deprivation is always trying to find something to sell them and not remove the causal problems: noise and light pollution, limited opportunities for proper nutrition and physical activity, insane work hours requirements and excessive commute time, etc...

Re: Engineering Sleep

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Post by pedalpete »

moneywoes wrote: post #187
pedalpete wrote: post #114

I work in the sleep space, particularly enhancing slow-wave sleep - the synchronous firing of neurons which define deep sleep, the most restorative and vital component of sleep. Only focusing on the amount of time asleep is a significantly limited viewpoint, but I believe this will change in the coming years as we gather more knowledge of sleep and access to EEG data about our brain activity during sleep increases. O…

what do you do better than Whoop

Whoop does sleep tracking, measuring the amount of time you sleep and trying to put a "score" to what that means for your health essentially computing based on time asleep and HRV.

Affectable isn't only measuring. We actively alter your brain activity in real time which increases the restorative function of sleep. You don't sleep longer, it's not about falling asleep faster. Research has shown a 14% increase in HRV during stimulation, we've had 3 positive alzheimer's studies (1 - MCI, 1 - removal of Amyloid, 1 - increasing deep sleep in people with ALZ).

Does that make sense?

Re: Engineering Sleep

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Post by ddalex »

pedalpete wrote: post #194
moneywoes wrote: post #187

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what do you do better than Whoop

Whoop does sleep tracking, measuring the amount of time you sleep and trying to put a "score" to what that means for your health essentially computing based on time asleep and HRV. Affectable isn't only measuring. We actively alter your brain activity in real time which increases the restorative function of sleep. You don't sleep longer, it's not about falling asleep faster. Research has shown a 14% increase in HRV d…

I am highly interested in your product - how can I test it out as an early adopter ? I live in Europe

Re: Engineering Sleep

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Post by pedalpete »

ddalex wrote: post #196
pedalpete wrote: post #166

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We're aiming to be somewhere between Whoop and Oura on pricing.

How does a headband work? will it be FDA approved ?

It is an FDA registered device.

The headband has eeg sensors which monitor brain activity looking for slow-waves (synchronous firing of neurons which define deep sleep).

30 degrees from the peak of a slow-wave we "interrupt" the brain with a brief 50ms pulse of sound. In response to this interruption, your brain increases the synchronous firing of neurons. Resulting in more restorative deep sleep without changing the sleep time.

Is that the sort of description you were looking for?

Re: Engineering Sleep

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Post by pedalpete »

ddalex wrote: post #197
pedalpete wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whoop does sleep tracking, measuring the amount of time you sleep and trying to put a "score" to what that means for your health essentially computing based on time asleep and HRV. Affectable isn't only measuring. We actively alter your brain activity in real time which increases the restorative function of sleep. You don't sleep longer, it's not about falling asleep faster. Research has shown a 14% increase in HRV d…

I am highly interested in your product - how can I test it out as an early adopter ? I live in Europe

We're based in Sydney, Australia, so ethics approval has us testing only in NSW.

You can sign-up for the waitlist on our website (https://affectablesleep.com)

Re: Engineering Sleep

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Post by necovek »

withinboredom wrote: post #175
cortesoft wrote: post #141

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> I'd love to be able to wake up at 6am, but just can't. What does "just can't" mean, exactly? Just curious, because I felt that way, too, until I had a newborn and was forced to wake up with less sleep and discovered it was physically possible. Still felt awful all day, but it was possible.

For me, alarms simply don’t wake me up. I’m literally unconscious and not just asleep. That being said, I only need 6 hours of sleep a night and I can’t sleep any more than that. However, I also have delayed sleep entry. So, I usually stay up until 1am and wake up at 7am, with no alarm. If I want to sleep less than six hours, I simply won’t wake up. Famously, in the military, I was dragged outside, to the morning for…

Do you have DST where you live? Do you suddenly adjust to the new time when travelling to a different timezone?

(All this to say that you sleeping 6h flat is plausible, but times-of-day are a human, social construct, and it's impossible for your body not to be able to adapt to going to bed earlier and waking earlier)

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