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I work in a prestigious group within my company. The solutions architects across the company aspire to this group. As such, the cream rises to the top, and I work with amazing engineers. Unfortunately the 6% yearly PIP quota must be met, even within this group. So, you end up with the best of the best in the company fighting to stay off the PIP list. Recently my company started forcing this 6% PIP quota to be met wit…

It's interesting to ponder if this is a good thing or a bad thing. The knee jerk reaction is this is all very unhealthy but I wonder if it is really. Imagine we were talking about back-up quarterbacks in the NFL. That individual is probably one heck of a quarterback and athlete, and they did excellent in lesser teams which is what got them into the NFL in the first place. But, they are a back-up quarter back in the N…

In an NBA reference, the fallen elite athletes from US teams would venture to Europe or Asia and play there. They’re still getting paid, and the European teams are better because of it.

There are 1000’s of accounts where these solutions architects would be better than the existing architects. Instead of sending them down into the minor leagues, we are firing them. Seems short sighted, and a waste of talent.

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I am going through this with a contractor dev. Their performance dipped enough that we considered letting them go. But, eventually decided to put them on PIP. They did a 180 in a couple of days. PIP doesn't always work, but it works wonders with some personalities.

How is the performance measured?

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post #175

I work in a prestigious group within my company. The solutions architects across the company aspire to this group. As such, the cream rises to the top, and I work with amazing engineers. Unfortunately the 6% yearly PIP quota must be met, even within this group. So, you end up with the best of the best in the company fighting to stay off the PIP list. Recently my company started forcing this 6% PIP quota to be met wit…

It's interesting to ponder if this is a good thing or a bad thing. The knee jerk reaction is this is all very unhealthy but I wonder if it is really. Imagine we were talking about back-up quarterbacks in the NFL. That individual is probably one heck of a quarterback and athlete, and they did excellent in lesser teams which is what got them into the NFL in the first place. But, they are a back-up quarter back in the N…

You only ever have one quarterback playing for a team at once. no matter how successful the team becomes. presumably with a company, you are constantly growing and should need to grow your talent pool constantly. And how do I know that next year's new recruits are going to be as good as this year's pip'ed employees?

Re: Performance improvement plans are on the rise

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post #175

I work in a prestigious group within my company. The solutions architects across the company aspire to this group. As such, the cream rises to the top, and I work with amazing engineers. Unfortunately the 6% yearly PIP quota must be met, even within this group. So, you end up with the best of the best in the company fighting to stay off the PIP list. Recently my company started forcing this 6% PIP quota to be met wit…

I used to think promotions always included pay raises…

Yet twice I received none. But was put on harder expectations for bonuses.

Hope to be never promoted again!

Re: Performance improvement plans are on the rise

#195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is going to be a fair amount of selection bias in pip announcing they beat a pip. Getting fired isn't fun and so people won't brag about it. There are also other comments in this thread about people being pip'ed dishonestly. So people's experience will fall into a few categories: * People who are not doing well * People where the expectations of the job are (honestly) different between employee and employer. *…

Absolutely, that’s why it’d be interesting to have an actual study about it. Otherwise it’s just runaway speculation, and all we can say is there are many companies and managers and they all work differently and your experiences may vary.

I think that even without a study we can confidently gauge the perception among the majority corporate employees that PIPs are a corporate CYA exercise, and we can support that with some factual pieces of information as well.

As an analogy, we don't need a study to figure out that Apple has more of a profit motivation to remove charging bricks from its iPhone packaging rather than their stated motivation to help the environment. We know intuitively as intelligent humans that obviously the cost savings is the most compelling motivation. There is no financial reason for Apple to care about the impact of excess charging bricks on the environment unless it was so catastrophic that it would impact their future business. And I think we all know that it isn't - a charging brick is a tiny collection of common materials that pales in comparison to the amount of gasoline the average person burns in a single day.

In the same way, we can figure out quite easily with our own brains and observation skills that a corporation doesn't have any real motivation for an enployee to successfully exit a PIP. Here's why:

- Firing the employee will directly save on cost and cut risk. Because they are already under-performing there is very little upside to keeping them around, the implication is that they are already costing more than they are bringing in, i.e., they aren't helping very much to ease the capacity burden on other employees or "keep the lights on." e.g., if you have an employee on an on-call rotation who misses their pages or can't resolve any issues without asking for help, you might as well not have them on the rotation at all.

- The employee is already proven to be a below-median performer if not a bottom 25% performer, so intuitively we know that a random hire is more likely to perform better than the current one. If you already have a bad apple you're going to be willing to reach into the bag of apples to find a better one even if you're blindfolded.

- There is no direct cost to firing an employee in the USA. Hiring and firing is at-will and job mobility is high. There is no requirement to pay severance of provide extended notice.

- It will take a minimal amount of time to hire someone thanks to the at-will nature of US labor laws, and because the existing employee is a low performer, a new employee will be very likely to be onboarded to a higher level of performance of the current employee relatively quickly. We already know from data [1] that it only takes a month to hire on average. That's only two paychecks of paying a poorly performing employee. The company could even start the interview process in parallel with the PIP.

- The probability of management being able to turn around the situation permanently should be assumed to be low because fundamentally the role and responsibilities will not change. We intuitively and through real studies know that it’s difficult to change habits and abilities in the sort of time range that a PIP demands. E.g., Is it better to hope that Bronny James one day becomes as good his father at basketball or would it be better to draft someone who is already better than Bronny James? It’s not impossible that Bronny develops to that level but it’s also extremely unlikely and his ceiling is probably only a somewhat small percentage higher than his current level of performance. If you’re giving someone a PIP because they can need help figuring out how to set an environment variable how can you expect them to perform the role adequately even if they put an honest effort into improving?

- There is a clear and direct benefit to the company for having a PIP as documentation of both poor performance and formal notification to avoid wrongful termination lawsuits and to avoid the negative impacts of having more unemployment insurance claims. Paying a few months of salary to document poor performance is clearly worth the cost compared to just a small handful of hours worth of legal fees or a settlement.

I think that all these factors means that effective PIPs are really only going to occur in situations where there is a temporary or sudden decline in performance and that remedies in the PIP will actually help the employee get out of that rut. But intuitively we know that is going to be rather uncommon, because most PIPs are accompanied with additional burden on the employee, so only the people who respond positively to additional responsibilities, pressure, and scrutiny will survive it. And that already is proven to be unlikely because of how the employee ended up getting a PIP in the first place.

[1] https://resources.workable.com/stories-and-insights/time-to-...

Re: Performance improvement plans are on the rise

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>A good manager doesn't need PIPs because they're always communicating clearly and consistently to their reports about how they're doing. More generally, a good manager is someone who shields their people from surprises. A PIP should never come as a surprise to someone. Unfortunately, there are bad managers out there who fail at that. It's not the manager's fault if someone gets put on a PIP, but it's absolutely 100%…

How do you think a manager should handle the case where a company forces the manager to select one person from the team for a bogus (in bad faith) PIP?

This would almost certainly get me fired, but I would simply refuse the request. If I truly don't believe anyone on my team has earned themselves a spot on a PIP I wouldn't put anyone on one.

I have to expect the response would be either (a) threatening to fire me or (b) threatening to force my boss to make the decision with less knowledge of each of my reports' performance. In either case, though, those aren't my decisions to make and I can only take control of whether or not I'm willing to PIP reports that I don't think deserve it.

Re: Performance improvement plans are on the rise

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post #175

I work in a prestigious group within my company. The solutions architects across the company aspire to this group. As such, the cream rises to the top, and I work with amazing engineers. Unfortunately the 6% yearly PIP quota must be met, even within this group. So, you end up with the best of the best in the company fighting to stay off the PIP list. Recently my company started forcing this 6% PIP quota to be met wit…

this sounds like IBM

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post #29

I got put on a PIP at Amazon, and even at the time I thought it was a reasonable criticism. I then worked hard, graduated out of the PIP, and stayed there a few more years. (I also opted-in to a second PIP (with my manager's knowledge and assistance) when I was leaving so I could get severance, but I don't really count that) One of my current mentees got put on a PIP a couple years ago, and she likewise has significa…

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post #167

Over the years we've gotten more and more technological advances, we have automated more and more labor yet the amount of labor we have to put in increases which makes me wonder, where is all that output going as I'm pretty sure it doesn't go into our pockets or our governments. For years I haven't noticed and even burned-out few times as I'm very passionate about this field and STEM in general but count me out from…

What do you mean where does it all go? Isn't it obvious? We are living in a second gilded age. How else would 1 man have a third of a trillion dollars?

Re: Performance improvement plans are on the rise

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I think the most telling experience I ever had, was once, I was put on a PIP because I had a period where my sleep was extremely unhinged and uncontrollable, and no matter how deliberate I was in my sleep hygiene and avoiding stimulant and adjacent intake, I would sometimes be unable to get to sleep or stay awake, and this caused significant heartburn at my employer, who had fairly rigid in-office time requirements on high, but adored my work.

On my first meeting with someone in HR about it, they exclaimed in surprise "Wow, they really want to keep you. Usually when I'm talking to someone, it's because their manager wants them gone."

(I was not, ultimately, let go at the end of that process.)

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