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Australia: Kids under 16 to be banned from social media after Senate passes laws

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Re: Australia: Kids under 16 to be banned from social media after Senate passes laws

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Post by meiraleal »

slibhb wrote: post #178
afavour wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And if we should ban anything it's drugs and gambling, not tiktok You realise children can legally do neither, right? Government should be in the business of improving citizens lives. As another commenter said, left to their own devices companies would still be using leaded paint everywhere if it was 1c cheaper per gallon. I’ve grown very tired of this “any regulation is bad regulation” viewpoint, it doesn’t hold u…

Some regulations are good. Like the ones regulating drugs and gambling (that have been largely dismantled). But we don't need the government to protect people from Facebook!

We definitely do. Just enforcing the laws would do, as drugs and gambling is a good amount of social media ads revenue

Re: Australia: Kids under 16 to be banned from social media after Senate passes laws

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Post by lm28469 »

slibhb wrote: post #178
afavour wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And if we should ban anything it's drugs and gambling, not tiktok You realise children can legally do neither, right? Government should be in the business of improving citizens lives. As another commenter said, left to their own devices companies would still be using leaded paint everywhere if it was 1c cheaper per gallon. I’ve grown very tired of this “any regulation is bad regulation” viewpoint, it doesn’t hold u…

Some regulations are good. Like the ones regulating drugs and gambling (that have been largely dismantled). But we don't need the government to protect people from Facebook!

> But we don't need the government to protect people from Facebook!

Says who exactly ?

Re: Australia: Kids under 16 to be banned from social media after Senate passes laws

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Post by kQq9oHeAz6wLLS »

egorfine wrote: post #170

As a father of 4 ranging from 10 to 30+, I certainly hope the law will not practically work and that kids will find a way to use social media.

Interesting. My kids aren't allowed on social media, and they're happier and less moody than their friends who are addicted to it. They see it, and don't even want social media anymore because their friends spend so much time on their phones rather than being present and having real experiences.

I don't think I would wish social media on any child, though I believe it's a problem that can be solved not by more laws, but by better parenting.

Re: Australia: Kids under 16 to be banned from social media after Senate passes laws

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Post by pmarreck »

nomilk wrote: post #175

Every single Australian 's ID will have to be verified (in order to confirm their age). Depending on the degree of cooperation (/coercion) the Australian government has with social media companies, the Aus Govt will be able to access citizen social media data with relative ease. So no more pseudo anonymous accounts (or, at least, they'll be made more difficult, especially for non-technical folk). Reminds of the 'chil…

I would like to see some evidence before I buy this conspiracy theory. If anything, I feel like legacy media is too lazy and entrenched to even consider this

Re: Australia: Kids under 16 to be banned from social media after Senate passes laws

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Post by LoganDark »

psychoslave wrote: post #186
afavour wrote: post #141

Like the spirit, dislike the execution. Passing legislation to “protect the kids” is politically easy. Bans are simple. Much more effective, IMO, would be to legislate the way social networks behave. Stop their most addictive patterns. Adults are just as susceptible as kids in my experience. If there needs to be anything kid specific, perhaps a block on using the service during school hours, or only for X hours a day…

>Much more effective, IMO, would be to legislate the way social networks behave. Stop their most addictive patterns. We are less likely to change behavioral pattern after that period though, like we probably won’t see someone start to smoke at 45. It doesn’t mean it’s impossible of course, but past that age it looks like brains are already on track to become old reactionaries and generate complaints about how things…

I was already generating complaints about how things used to be better before by the age of, like, 10. Nowadays I have a huge list.

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Post by nomilk »

pmarreck wrote: post #194
nomilk wrote: post #175

Every single Australian 's ID will have to be verified (in order to confirm their age). Depending on the degree of cooperation (/coercion) the Australian government has with social media companies, the Aus Govt will be able to access citizen social media data with relative ease. So no more pseudo anonymous accounts (or, at least, they'll be made more difficult, especially for non-technical folk). Reminds of the 'chil…

I would like to see some evidence before I buy this conspiracy theory. If anything, I feel like legacy media is too lazy and entrenched to even consider this

Legacy media are indeed lazy and stupid, but all that's stopping them is the Australian parliament, who are lazier and stupider.

Re: Australia: Kids under 16 to be banned from social media after Senate passes laws

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Post by aziaziazi »

akudha wrote: post #109
MichaelZuo wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn’t that what the electorate desires? By electing personable but mediocore, sometimes even incompetent, MPs over the intelligent but aloof candidates. Someone or some committee, somewhere, still has to actually work out all the details, and if it’s not done in Parliament, because the average MP literally can’t grasp even half the agenda items, it has to be done elsewhere. Edit: And even that is probably being too o…

I started losing faith in democracy since Brexit. It is still better than other forms of governance, that seems like a low bar. People making “protest” votes without bothering to understand the consequences, single issue voters, young people who don’t even bother to vote, dumb/racist/misogynist voters… Democracy only works if voters take it seriously, only if media is at least reasonably honest/competent etc. Across…

Representatives democracy also only works if representatives take it seriously too. Much (if not most) elected ones serves their personal agenda before the voters interests, let alone those of who can’t/don’t vote.

There’s also no universal _Truth_ that someone can grab entirely and as you noted information is essential but humans can’t be omniscient and you always miss something.

- "If others players cheat, I would loose by following the rules"

- "all i know is I know nothing".

Those two reasons explain why abstention or white/protest/defence votes can be fact based with a logical reasoning IMO.

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Post by [deleted] »

slibhb wrote: post #178
afavour wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And if we should ban anything it's drugs and gambling, not tiktok You realise children can legally do neither, right? Government should be in the business of improving citizens lives. As another commenter said, left to their own devices companies would still be using leaded paint everywhere if it was 1c cheaper per gallon. I’ve grown very tired of this “any regulation is bad regulation” viewpoint, it doesn’t hold u…

Some regulations are good. Like the ones regulating drugs and gambling (that have been largely dismantled). But we don't need the government to protect people from Facebook!

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