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Re: How to give a senior leader feedback without getting fired

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So bleak. It's fine to protect yourself but your managers are people too. You _can_ build a report with them and be frank with them. When I manage folks, I much prefer honesty over someone who just bullshits you.

Managers aren't just people, they're people who have your employment in their hands. Reports will act appropriately for that fact.

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Re: How to give a senior leader feedback without getting fired

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> If you do speak up, you might put your employment and well-being at risk.

I'm so glad i spent most of my career in Norway where that is so much less likely. In fact it putting your employment at risk is really so unlikely as to not be worth consideration. Well being is of course a bit harder to quantify and control.

Re: How to give a senior leader feedback without getting fired

#193
post #6

Astonishing. Completely backwards. This article describes how to give feedback to your subordinates, not to your superiors. If your superiors are unable to process no-fluff information, regardless of whether it's feedback or updates, they have no business lording over anyone and will sink whatever function they have oversight of. If you find yourself working under such people, don't bother giving feedback, start poli…

> start polishing your resume

What if you have reached the optimal level of income, and the work itself you like? Anywhere else would be a cut in either one of those 2.

Re: How to give a senior leader feedback without getting fired

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This was one of the most exhausting aspects of working for a US company, especially as an H1B. Simply: just don't say anything, it wasn't worth it. I'm from cultures where we bluntly call a spade a spade and pride ourselves on disdain for hierarchy. There's far less fear in raising concerns generally to anyone, but it's quite possibly because of the far better employment laws.

Sounds like you are Norwegian.

Re: How to give a senior leader feedback without getting fired

#196
Dutch person here (have been told we are some of the most direct people): my experience is that it is not the words but the intention. E.g. the 'give more training' example: 'I do not understand why we do not give more training. It seemed to help with Steve, why are we not doing more so'. And being genuinely interested in the answer. Do not assume you are always right in assuming more training helps, but ask yourself why it may not be. Having an open mind can really help. And perhaps you were right to be astonished in 95% of situations, in 5% (or more) you might learn something. Other things are certainly true: it may be better to ask that question in private, as opposed to while the leader addresses the whole staff.

Re: How to give a senior leader feedback without getting fired

#197
post #42

In my 13 years of experience, I would say it's never worth giving feedback to your manager. Either they are good and it's useless, or they are not and they won't learn from you. I have come to a simple rule: if the manager is good, there is no problem. If the manager sucks (often that's because they lack experience, but it's all the same), just lie to them in order to preserve yourself. No need to have empathy for th…

This is very accurate

Re: How to give a senior leader feedback without getting fired

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post #159

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Most people can, some people can’t - and the ones who can’t can be incredibly dangerous.

Yeah good luck with getting anything, ever, out of folks that feel butt-hurt due to their fragile emotions, in my experience women often go the extra mile to hold grudges, while sporting big smiles publicly.. That gate is closed for good, and you really have no idea what to expect - be it silent treatment or even subversion and backstabbing. To summarize - each of us is pretty unique, and without going though it you…

The challenge we all have is, that just leaves everyone angry with each other and unable to actually make progress or solve any problems together.

Re: How to give a senior leader feedback without getting fired

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post #6

Astonishing. Completely backwards. This article describes how to give feedback to your subordinates, not to your superiors. If your superiors are unable to process no-fluff information, regardless of whether it's feedback or updates, they have no business lording over anyone and will sink whatever function they have oversight of. If you find yourself working under such people, don't bother giving feedback, start poli…

> start polishing your resume What if you have reached the optimal level of income, and the work itself you like? Anywhere else would be a cut in either one of those 2.

I guess distance yourself emotionally from your job, but continue looking and be picky about your next role.

I'm in a similar boat, but my engineering manager wants to get rid of them, so I'm being dragged into office politics now.

Other than a few rotten apples, the company is great. So, I'm also somewhat reluctantly looking for a new role.

Re: How to give a senior leader feedback without getting fired

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> You don't do it in public. The comment you're replying to specifically nullified your example.

You might want to read the comments before you decide what they mean. It doesn't say "face can only be lost in public". It says "face can only be lost among peers and superiors".

If you want to understand "face" here's a 56 min video : https://library.biblicalarchaeology.org/video/honor-and-sham...
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