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Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

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post #109

This is weird because the information I was getting was that Harris was leading the opinion polls and the Trump supporters were dropping him at the last minute. Now this feels like a rigged election.

> Now this feels like a rigged election.

As a fellow democrat, lose with some grace.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#192
post #109

This is weird because the information I was getting was that Harris was leading the opinion polls and the Trump supporters were dropping him at the last minute. Now this feels like a rigged election.

There was a lot of rallying on the republican side to go vote online. I didn't see a lot of that on the democrat side. Pundits mentioned a lack of Trump's ground game, but I think online networking effects of republicans urging others to vote helped him whereas the ground game helped Harris.

It was a close election. Possibly driven by the echo chambers people are in -- like seeing "I voted for Hilary" in left leaning sources and "I voted for Trump" in right leaning sources. Like when Anna Seltzer's poll came out the left ran with that but largely ignored the +10 poll for Trump that came out shortly after.

I personally try to vary my sources to counter the echo chamber effects. I don't always agree with everything that is said, I just want to try and understand what is going on.

I was seeing commentators on the left decrying the Puerto Recan joke, saying that it would hurt the Trump campaign. Then Biden made his comment about Trump supporters being garbage which the left dismissed. After that the right took it as a symbol, making memes about bins going to vote, Trump arriving to rallies in a garbage truck, people wearing bin bags to vote, etc. The left didn't see that going on, or dismissed things like the garbage truck as a stunt.

A similar thing with Trump's McDonald's stint. Both of these helped connect with regular workers, something that Harris didn't have. Something that the commentators on the left failed to see or understand.

I don't follow things like TikTok, but I heard a commentator mention how that helped women turn against Trump, especially amongst new voters. I suspect that due to the ranking algorithm and bubbles that this predominantly targetted democratic or left leaning voters as there were many women that voted for Trump.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#193

There might be a cultural issue here for the Dems. Many of the canvassers I met who were not retirees tended to be young women, often college-aged or a bit older, very liberal and very much benefitting directly from the economic status quo. To them, voting for anyone besides Harris was just completely insensible and they did not even bother to try and understand the views of anyone they spoke with (from what I could…

> they were just pushing "get out the vote" but no substantial reasons as to why

Perhaps. But that's not their fault. Anecdotally, 100% of my left leaning friends and colleagues were pro-Harris but with no reason other than "not Trump." That's not a "message" the undecided independents can believe in. Imagine Pepsi's key msg to be "not Coke".

Frank Luntz just said on ABC News that Harris began to lose ground ~6 wks ago when she resorted to name calling. Didn't HRC make the same mistake? How do undecided independents build trust in someone who was so guarded (e.g., zero press conferences)? And wastes time with name calling instead of hammering home her vision?

It's gonna be another four yrs of left-hate for Trump. The DNC leadership won't own their failure (again). The Harris campaign won't own their bad decisions. It'll all be Trump's fault.

Their incompetence is Trump's fault? That's lack of accountability isn't working. Again.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

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It'll be interesting to see what this will mean for European dependence on US tech companies. I'm not personally against companies like Microsoft as such, in fact I think they are one of the better IT business partners for non-tech Enterprise. Often what they sell is vastly underestimated by their critics within the EU, not that I disagree with the problematic nature of depending on foreign tech companies either. Wit…

The first time Trump was elected was a shock, but now we understand. It wasn't a simple mistake. I have only few customers who use Google Workspace for their emails and only one who uses Dropbox for files. Initially (about 2002) companies moved away from U.S.-based cloud services. However, now I have an increasing number of customers who want to cancel cloud services entirely. But for my customers, there is no alternative to Windows.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#197

From a game theoretical perspective this is a good result. It is a clear reiteration of the message to the Democrats: you won't win by claiming to be 0.1% less bad. The Democrats should have fielded a strong personality in their own right. This is not about left or right. It's about mobilizing people by giving them something to care about. "More of the same" and "not like that guy" isn't very enticing. I don't think…

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Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#199

From a game theoretical perspective this is a good result. It is a clear reiteration of the message to the Democrats: you won't win by claiming to be 0.1% less bad. The Democrats should have fielded a strong personality in their own right. This is not about left or right. It's about mobilizing people by giving them something to care about. "More of the same" and "not like that guy" isn't very enticing. I don't think…

> The Democrats should have fielded a strong personality in their own right.

I think Biden's decision to run for a second term was what sunk them. That was a selfish decision. He then bowed out too late, and Democrats had to scramble and nominate the only viable alternative. Biden should have refrained from running last year in order to give the Democrats a full primary to choose a candidate.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

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There might be a cultural issue here for the Dems. Many of the canvassers I met who were not retirees tended to be young women, often college-aged or a bit older, very liberal and very much benefitting directly from the economic status quo. To them, voting for anyone besides Harris was just completely insensible and they did not even bother to try and understand the views of anyone they spoke with (from what I could…

The "tolerant" left has become the intolerant blind block I've been raised to fear the far right for. As a typical European middle-aged (I guess) male, mostly apolitical, I don't really feel anybody speaks for me anymore. The failure of the left is what is driving the growth of the right, by losing those people who very much were reaching out to minorities, female and other "left" interests. Tune out the radicals and work with the "sensible" people in the middle, and that goes for both left and right...

Why are we letting pure simplistic tribal emotion take over in this age of science and rationality?...

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