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Netflix Europe offices raided in tax fraud probe

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Re: Netflix Europe offices raided in tax fraud probe

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Post by barrenko »

sensanaty wrote: post #94
Algent wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's basically what happened when they tried (twice I think ?) to raid Uber offices in France, their boss pressed a kill switch and everything went down in seconds. It completely blocked the investigation. Afterward Uber helped Macron campaign who then ordered National Financial Prosecutor's office to "stop bothering them" so I don't think anything new happened since. Edit: Some sources in below replies for infos o…

How the hell can any of what you just described be legal? Do you have any articles about this? Because this is insane if true.

It kinda sounds like you can't raid Uber / Netflix without hackers, Ghost in the shell type raid. Which is probably the future of raids.

Re: Netflix Europe offices raided in tax fraud probe

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Post by eastbound »

mewse-hn wrote: post #174
0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a lawyer, but let’s say the cops were searching my house. If I threw the keys to my unbreakable safe out the window, such that they could never be found, I doubt a judge would care for the distinction. That the evidence exists but cannot be accessed is still going to find you in contempt.

That metaphor doesn't seem directly applicable to cutting off cloud access. If we're trying for a metaphor that would be a similar situation pre-digitization, the cloud servers containing business documents could be considered head office, and the office being raided would be the branch office. The branch office would continually be communicating with head office for their operations, and that communication would be…

By creating a law for seizing the IT system of a company. “Provide everything”, and if we later find that any other document existed back at that time, then it’s contempt of court.

Re: Netflix Europe offices raided in tax fraud probe

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Post by aspenmayer »

EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote: post #97
rty32 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know how it works in other countries, but in the US you likely still need to provide a real address for many purposes (tax, immigration if applicable, etc) The police could just find the correct targets and raid their home instead.

I have a virtualmailbox.com address - all my banks, the IRS, state voting commission and USCIS (immigration authorities) are all perfectly fine with it.

Wouldn’t your identity documents required to open a bank account show a residential address?

Re: Netflix Europe offices raided in tax fraud probe

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Post by lifestyleguru »

scotty79 wrote: post #40
diggan wrote: post #4

The meat: > Last year, French media outlet La Lettre reported that until 2021, Netflix in France minimised its tax payments by declaring its turnover generated in France to the Netherlands. > investigators are trying to determine whether Netflix continued to attempt to minimise its profits after 2021. Wasn't Uber or some other US company found doing something similar? First they were found to be in violation of some…

That's rich coming from French. Long time ago France Telecom bought Polish top phone network. Immediately rebranded it to Orange (despite the fact that the company had one of the strongest brands on market where it operated). Unsurprisingly the licensing fees for using Orange brand that the Polish company had to pay to France Telecom amounted to large percentage of taxable profits that the Polish company had. Overt t…

Ohhh the memory of their atrocious and extortive services still raises my adrenaline. The French bought the position of monopolist in the telecom market. That's (and similar privatization frauds) how the only true Russian-style oligarch in Poland was created - Jan Kulczyk. Thanks, French!

Re: Netflix Europe offices raided in tax fraud probe

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Post by ianburrell »

bubbleRefuge wrote: post #107

How about just get rid of double taxation in corporate taxes? Eventually, taxes will get paid via distributions or sale of stock by individuals.

Then you would be in favor of only taxing retained profits. Corporations keep piles of money for future use. It would make sense to allow deductions for dividends distributed to shareholders. But could also fix the stock buyback loophole by not allow deduction.

Re: Netflix Europe offices raided in tax fraud probe

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Post by johndhi »

alexey-salmin wrote: post #184
johndhi wrote: post #175

Sounds like the tech companies won't be expanding outside of Ireland for a while ....

Well they certainly do want the revenues from users outside of Ireland

People with guns forcibly going through your things with threat of prison time tends to erase desire for revenue. See international business climate in China.

Re: Netflix Europe offices raided in tax fraud probe

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Post by aspenmayer »

nerdponx wrote: post #6
seiferteric wrote: post #5

I wonder how these "office raids" would work for remote first companies that don't have much of an office presence and with little or no physical documents and everything being stored in the cloud somewhere.

If you can get access to someone's laptop with SSO login access to the cloud storage (or their email inbox and Slack messages), then you have what you need.

IIUC email messages on cloud services older than 180 days don’t even require a US warrant(!) anyway.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/05/update-email-privacy-l...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Communications_Priv...

Re: Netflix Europe offices raided in tax fraud probe

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Post by lifestyleguru »

Hamuko wrote: post #44
marcinzm wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given Wirecard I wouldn’t assume the EU equally prosecutes or tracks crimes for EU and non-EU companies.

Isn't the Wirecard case still pending with execs in jail waiting for trial?

The protagonist was first the apple of Merkel's eye and then vanished in Russia.

Re: Netflix Europe offices raided in tax fraud probe

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Post by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK »

aspenmayer wrote: post #193
EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a virtualmailbox.com address - all my banks, the IRS, state voting commission and USCIS (immigration authorities) are all perfectly fine with it.

Wouldn’t your identity documents required to open a bank account show a residential address?

Can't say for sure. I opened all my bank accounts while still having a proper residential address, but after relocating to another country changed the address to a virtual one, no one said a word.

Re: Netflix Europe offices raided in tax fraud probe

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Post by mort96 »

scotty79 wrote: post #53
mort96 wrote: post #49

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Nation state acts in its own interest, news at 11 No but seriously, this doesn't sound surprising? Why should France be against a French company buying up other companies and bringing revenue back to France

Do you want euroscepticism? Because that's how you get euroscepticism.

I don't understand the problem honestly. I'd understand it if Poland stepped in and didn't let the company be bought out, but this just seems like bog standard normal globalized free market stuff? It would be extremely weird for France to step in and prevent a French company from buying a Polish company due to fears of stoking Euroscepticism among the polish population wouldn't it? And I don't even know what this has to do with the EU, companies have been buying up companies from other countries both in and out of the EU forever?
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