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Re: Apple's M4 Max chip is the fastest single-core performer in consumer computing

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I have a M1 MacBook Air that I use for Docker, VSCode, etc. And it still runs very smoothly. Interestingly, the only times it slows down is when opening Microsoft Excel.

Excel performance on Mac is a disaster, and I dont understand why.

Everytime I paste something it lags for 1-2 seconds… so infuriating!!

Re: Apple's M4 Max chip is the fastest single-core performer in consumer computing

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> Nor have I had any desire to upgrade I never thought I'd see a processor that was 50% faster single-core and 80% faster multi-core and just shrug. My M1 Pro still feels so magically fast. I'm really happy that Apple keeps pushing things and I'll be grateful when I do decide to upgrade, but my M1 Pro has just been such a magical machine. Every other laptop I've ever bought (Mac or PC) has run its fan regularly. I di…

Yeah, I have an M1 Max 64GB and don't feel any need to upgrade. I think I'll hit the need for more ram before a processor increase with my current workload.

Same for me, in a Mac Studio. It's only 2 years old so it's not like I would expect it to suck, but it's a rocket.

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M3 Pro user here, agree with the same points. It's nice to be able to actually have your laptop on your lap, without burning your legs.

Hey, I can have my Intel MBP on my lap without burning my legs (or making me feel nauseated). As long as I don't open Chrome, Safari, Apple Notes, or really any other app...

Sometimes even not opening any apps is not enough if Spotlight decides that now is the time to update its index or something similar. Honestly nuts looking back at it.

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I am still astounded the huge change moving from an Intel Mac to an Apple Silicon Mac (M1) has had in terms of battery performance and heat. I don't think i've heard the fans a single time I've had this machine and it's been several years. Nor have I had any desire to upgrade.

I've got a coworker who still has an Intel MacBook Pro, 8-core i9 and all that, and I've been on M chips since they launched. The other day he was building some Docker images while we were screensharing and I was dumbfounded at how long it took. I don't think I can even remember a recent time when building images, even ones pushed to CDK etc., takes more than a minute or so. We waited and waited and finally after 8 m…

For sure. I had one of those for work when I got my personal M1 Air and I couldn't believe how much faster it was. A fanless ultraportable faster than an 8-core i9!

I was so happy when I finally got an M1 MBP for work because as you say Docker is so much faster on it. I feel like I don't wait for anything anymore. Can't even imagine these new chips.

Re: Apple's M4 Max chip is the fastest single-core performer in consumer computing

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I have been out of the PC world for a long time, but in terms of performance efficiency, is Apple running away from the competition? Or are AMD and Intel producing similar performing chips at the same wattage?

TSMC is running away from the competition

Re: Apple's M4 Max chip is the fastest single-core performer in consumer computing

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> Nor have I had any desire to upgrade I never thought I'd see a processor that was 50% faster single-core and 80% faster multi-core and just shrug. My M1 Pro still feels so magically fast. I'm really happy that Apple keeps pushing things and I'll be grateful when I do decide to upgrade, but my M1 Pro has just been such a magical machine. Every other laptop I've ever bought (Mac or PC) has run its fan regularly. I di…

My best Apple purchases in 20 years of being their customer: The Macbook M1 Pro 16 inch and the Pro Display XDR. When Steve Jobs died I really thought Apple was done, but their most flawless products (imho) came much later.

Yeah, don’t forget the 10 dark years between the Butterfly Keyboard Macbook Pro 2016, the Emoji Macbook Air, until the restoration of the USB ports… around 2022.

That was truely the dark age of Apple.

Re: Apple's M4 Max chip is the fastest single-core performer in consumer computing

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I have a M1 MacBook Air that I use for Docker, VSCode, etc. And it still runs very smoothly. Interestingly, the only times it slows down is when opening Microsoft Excel.

Excel performance on Mac is a disaster, and I dont understand why. Everytime I paste something it lags for 1-2 seconds… so infuriating!!

Don’t worry, it’s bad on Windows too

Re: Apple's M4 Max chip is the fastest single-core performer in consumer computing

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Too bad it's still sluggish for latest tech game dev with engines like UE :( It'd be great to ditch the Windows ecosystem, at least at dev time.

Game performance is often GPU bound, not CPU bound.

It depends on the game. If there are a lot of game simulation calculations to do for every frame, then you're going to be CPU constrained. If it's a storybook that you're walking through and every pixel is raytraced using tons of 8000x8000 texture maps, then it's going to be GPU constrained.

Most games are combinations of the two, and so some people are going to be CPU limited and some people are going to be GPU limited. For games I play, I'm often CPU limited; I can set the graphics to low at 1280 x 720, or ultra at 3840 x 2160 and get the same FPS. That's CPU limiting.

Re: Apple's M4 Max chip is the fastest single-core performer in consumer computing

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Too bad it's still sluggish for latest tech game dev with engines like UE :( It'd be great to ditch the Windows ecosystem, at least at dev time.

Game performance is often GPU bound, not CPU bound.

Do you have a source? My experience is the opposite is often true
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