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Re: We're forking Flutter

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Post by EGreg »

fhdsgbbcaA wrote: post #187
plorkyeran wrote: post #21

> That's 50 people serving the needs of 1,000,000. Doing a little bit of division, that means that every single member of the Flutter team is responsible for the needs of 20,000 Flutter developers! That ratio is clearly unworkable for any semblance of customer support. If "only" 50 people working on a project used by one million people was unworkably low then every single successful project out there would be doomed.…

50 people is a pretty huge team at Google to start with, there’s teams of <5 that support weird bits of core infrastructure that serve billions of users an hour.

Exaggeration?

Billions per HOUR seems quite a stretch there..

Re: We're forking Flutter

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Post by hobofan »

skybrian wrote: post #82

Back when I worked on GWT, we had trouble accepting outside contributions because the team had a mandate to support Googlers. That is, much like other libraries and tools at Google, changes could not break google3. This means testing patches against google3 and either changing the patch, or fixing whatever code used it, and these are tasks that no outsider can do. Shepherding these patches is no fun when you have you…

Yeah, this seems to be a common theme with Google's open source projects. Bazel feels very similar in many points.

It obviously wouldn't exist if not for Google putting resources towards it, but Google's (and google3's needs) are so significantly prioritized that it hurts the community. E.g. due to the low allocation of resources and extensive usage of rules_proto and bazel-skylib inside google3, they are completely ossified and the community has given up contributing to them and instead created either forks or contribution-friendly wrappers.

Re: We're forking Flutter

#193

Post by mplewis »

chrisandchris wrote: post #181
ignoramous wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> cURL is basically maintained by a single person Suppose Flutter may be an order or two magnitude more complex than cURL.

Absolutely, yes! Then make it two or three people, maybe 10 and there are still n-times too many people working on flutter compared to cURL. Which boils down to: Number of devs vs. people using something is a very bad metric. Even number of supported devices won't work good in this case (I assume cURL runs basically everywhere). I think it's very difficult to estimate complexity, and then make a statement about "how…

Two orders of magnitude would be 100, not 10.

Re: We're forking Flutter

#195

Post by Vt71fcAqt7 »

refulgentis wrote: post #118
xster wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

small nit: many daily driver apps in China are partially Flutter. But TikTok is not at the present

small nit: douyin is. is it possible you read "TikTok in China (Douyin)" as "TikTok in America"?

Do you have a source for that claim? I'm pretty sure that is incorrect. Bytedance has said they use Flutter but for other projects.[0] Douyin is not mentioned anywhere.

[0] https://flutter.dev/showcase/bytedance

Re: We're forking Flutter

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Post by fhdsgbbcaA »

EGreg wrote: post #191
fhdsgbbcaA wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

50 people is a pretty huge team at Google to start with, there’s teams of <5 that support weird bits of core infrastructure that serve billions of users an hour.

Exaggeration? Billions per HOUR seems quite a stretch there..

Nope.

Re: We're forking Flutter

#198

Post by distances »

pzo wrote: post #41
punduk wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are there any statistics on how much of it is used in production?

If there would be 1M flutter devs per year and on average team had 10 devs (rather rare most mobile teams would be smaller except really big apps) and development of app would take ~1 year you would expect minimum 100k new flutter apps in app store every year. That seems highly unlikely.

I'm pretty sure many/most professional app developers are in long-term projects, working on the same app(s) year after year. So for those devs the app count never goes up. That's at least my experience -- development work only stops when the app is pulled off the stores for business reasons.

Re: We're forking Flutter

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Post by punduk »

skywhopper wrote: post #77

Weird, I'd never heard of Flutter (or at least it never registered), but then I'm an infra engineer, so why would I have? But particularly strange is that if you go to flutter.dev, you'll notice you can't find anything about who Flutter is. There's no about page with links to the people behind it, or any indication of what company sponsors it. Then this flutterfoundation.dev site... weirdly also doesn't say who's beh…

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Re: We're forking Flutter

#200

Post by britannio »

ibero wrote: post #172

| How many Flutter developers exist in the world, today? My guess is that it's on the order of 1,000,000 developers. The real number is probably higher, but one million should be reasonably conservative. one million flutter developers? that does not make sense to me at all (by orders of magnitude). does anyone know any metric to validate this? i am shocked if it's true.

The data is supposedly there: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41975320
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