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US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

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Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

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Post by gitaarik »

It concerns me that these Tesla's can suddenly start acting differently after a software update. Seems like a great target for a cyber attack. Or just a fail from the company. A little bug that is accidentally spread to millions of cars all over the world.

And how is this regulated? Say the software gets to a point that we deem it safe for full self driving, then it gets approved on the road, and then Tesla adds a new fancy feature to their software and rolls out an update. How are we to be confident that it's safe?

Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

#192

Post by thebruce87m »

arcanemachiner wrote: post #30
dietsche wrote: post #16

I would like more details. There are definitely situations where neither a car nor a human could respond quickly enough to a situation on the road. for example, I recently hit a deer. The dashcam shows that I had less than 100 feet from when the deer became visible due to terrain to impact while driving at 60 mph. Keeping in mind that stopping a car in 100 feet at 60 mph is impossible. Most vehicles need more than tr…

This is called "overdriving your vision", and it's so common that it boggles my mind. (This opinion might have something to do with the deer I hit when I first started driving...) Drive according to the conditions, folks.

There is a difference between driving too fast around a corner to stop for something stationary on the road and driving through countryside where something might jump out.

I live in a country with deer but the number of incidences of them interacting with road users is so low that it does not factor in to my risk tolerance.

Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

#193

Post by briansm »

enslavedrobot wrote: post #179
gamblor956 wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every year Musk personally flies enough in his private jet to undo the emissions savings of over 100,000 EVs... Remember that every time you get in your Tesla that you're just a carbon offset for a spoiled billionaire.

Hmmmm average car uses 489 gallons a year. Large private jet uses 500 gallons an hour. There are 9125 hours in a year. So if Elon lives in a jet that flys 24/7 you're only very wrong. Since that's obviously not the case you're colossally and completely wrong. Remember that the next time you try to make an argument that Tesla is not an incredible force for decarbonization.

I think you missed the 'EV' part of the post.

Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

#194

Post by Youssef-1992 »

UltraSane wrote: post #136
ryandrake wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Without consequences, there is no reason to stop.

When is the market going to realize Tesla is NEVER going to have real level 4 autonomy where Tesla takes legal liability for crashes the way Waymo has?

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Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

#195

Post by 23B1 »

hnburnsy wrote: post #84
23B1 wrote: post #80

"Move fast and kill people" Look, I don't know who needs to hear this, but just stop supporting this asshole's companies. You don't need internet when you're camping, you don't need a robot to do your laundry, you don't need twitter, you can find more profitable and reliable places to invest.

Move slow and kill people... GM ignition switch deaths 124 https://money.cnn.com/2015/12/10/news/companies/gm-recall-ig...

And?

Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

#196

Post by rightbyte »

gitaarik wrote: post #191

It concerns me that these Tesla's can suddenly start acting differently after a software update. Seems like a great target for a cyber attack. Or just a fail from the company. A little bug that is accidentally spread to millions of cars all over the world. And how is this regulated? Say the software gets to a point that we deem it safe for full self driving, then it gets approved on the road, and then Tesla adds a ne…

Imagine all Teslas doing a full left right now. And full right in left steer countries.

OTA updates and auto updates in general is just a thing that should not be in vehicles. The ecu:s should have to be air gaped to the internet to be considered road worthy.

Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

#197

Post by newdee »

bogantech wrote: post #86
xvector wrote: post #47

My Tesla routinely tries to kill me on absolutely normal California roads in normal sunny conditions, especially when there are cars parked on the side of the road (it often brakes thinking I'm about to crash into them, or even swerves into them thinking that's the "real" lane). Elon's Unsupervised FSD dreams are a good bit off. I do hope they happen though.

> My Tesla routinely tries to kill me Why on earth would you continue to use it? If it does succeed someday that's on you

> that’s on you

They’d be dead, doubt it’s a concern at that point.

Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

#198

Post by dylan604 »

akira2501 wrote: post #173
dylan604 wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you miss the news about the recent strike by the very people you are suggesting to eliminate? This automation was one of the points of contention. Solving the problem might not be as easy as you suggest as long as their are powerful unions involved

This automation is inevitable. The ports are a choke point created by unnatural monopoly and a labor union is the incorrect solution. Particularly because their labor actions have massive collateral damage to other labor interests. I believe that if trucking were properly unionized the port unions would be crushed. They're not that powerful they've just outlived this particular modernization the longest out of their…

So a union is okay for the trucking industry, but not for the dock workers?

And what exactly will the truckers be trucking if the ports are crushed?

Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

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Post by fallingknife »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #104
fallingknife wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Nobody who buys a magic eraser thinks it’s literally a magical object or in any way utilizes magic. It’s not comparable.

Just like nobody who buys FSD actually thinks it's really self driving.

Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

#200

Post by fallingknife »

tapoxi wrote: post #135
fallingknife wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I too care more about bureaucratic compliance than what the actual chances of something killing me are. When I am on that ambulance I will be thinking "at least that guy met the specific set of criteria to be licensed to drive on public roads."

Are we really relegating drivers licenses to "bureaucratic compliance"? If FSD is being used in a public road, it impacts everyone on that road, not just the person who opted-in to using FSD. I absolutely want an independent agency to ensure it's safe and armed with the data that proves it.

What else are they? You jump through hoops to get a piece of plastic from the government that declares you "safe." And then holders of those licenses go out and kill 40,000 people every year just in the US.
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