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Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

#191

Post by nearting »

ActorNightly wrote: post #182
vundercind wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because all operating systems are terrible but the rest are so incredibly bad that Apple’s are still by far the best, once you add up time saved by features and capabilities and subtract time lost to pain-in-the-ass brokenness. (Two decades on DOS/Windows home series and NT, at least for gaming and sometimes work, twelve years with Linux as my main desktop OS, started on Android for smartphones, before finally giving…

>cause all operating systems are terrible This is code words for "Im emotionally invested into my choice for non logical reasons and its very hard for me to admit I have made the wrong choice".

And your response is code for "I'm unfamiliar with the concept of oligopolies, and believe that every consumption choice should be based on logic alone." Come on.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

#192

Post by aunty_helen »

ActorNightly wrote: post #184
aunty_helen wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hard in this camp too. The OS tinkering that is as requirement of Linux racks up a massive time investment. When you use your computer for work, that bill gets big quick and sometimes it's an inconvenience you just can't afford. MacOS, for all it's faults, can be tamed with little snitch and a slower update cycle, and then you have a relatively solid system. There's still some things to hate, like when I take my airp…

I don't get why people still spread the lie that you have to tinker with Linux. Like right now, I can give you a laptop with a clean Linux Mint install, and you never have to touch the terminal for anything system config to do work. Seriously, its not that hard to say that you prefer MacOS because you like the feel of it. It does a lot of handholding for you, unlike Linux, which makes it way less likely for you to me…

I’ll put this out there, currently there’s no better platform than macOS on apple silicon for developing ai systems.

I’m not a stranger to Linux or the command line. I own, use, configure servers as part of my business, including the dreaded on metal cuda install. In fact, the terminal integration in macOS is one of the biggest things over windows for me.

But, every time I try linux desktop, for the past 20 years, it’s been a horrible time sink and has driven home the point that building a competent and most importantly consistent gui based os is harder than everyone gives it credit for.

I stopped using Linux mint after installing it on my desktop and having the screen saver require a hard reboot -sometimes- when trying to wake.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

#193

Post by vundercind »

ActorNightly wrote: post #182
vundercind wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because all operating systems are terrible but the rest are so incredibly bad that Apple’s are still by far the best, once you add up time saved by features and capabilities and subtract time lost to pain-in-the-ass brokenness. (Two decades on DOS/Windows home series and NT, at least for gaming and sometimes work, twelve years with Linux as my main desktop OS, started on Android for smartphones, before finally giving…

>cause all operating systems are terrible This is code words for "Im emotionally invested into my choice for non logical reasons and its very hard for me to admit I have made the wrong choice".

My choice is also bad. Zero of them are good. All constantly have stupid quality problems or fail to operate as well as they should.

It’s a choice between hamburgers that are 30-50% shit, and one that’s 10% shit. Every single one has way too much shit in it. All of them deserve loud, angry complaints about the amount of shit they contain. But if I must eat a hamburger…

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by 30714 »

Affric wrote: post #3
mgoetzke wrote: post #2

it also leaks the audio of tabs before logging in. Even though I had disabled all 'restore' applications features, macos sometimes decides to 'start' browsers BEFORE logging in after a restart AND those start auto-playing audio from whatever was paused before the reboot (or many days before). Since then I went rather deep disabling that feature, but I never trusted it.

I can’t think of anything I want less from a laptop than it playing sound when I open it… and yet apple bring it to me as though it’s a feature.

``` #/bin/sh osascript -e 'set volume 0' ```

and SleepWatcher by bernard-baehr.de

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

#195

Post by aunty_helen »

consteval wrote: post #186
aunty_helen wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hard in this camp too. The OS tinkering that is as requirement of Linux racks up a massive time investment. When you use your computer for work, that bill gets big quick and sometimes it's an inconvenience you just can't afford. MacOS, for all it's faults, can be tamed with little snitch and a slower update cycle, and then you have a relatively solid system. There's still some things to hate, like when I take my airp…

The reason you have to tinker with MacOS and not Linux is because you're fine with how MaxOS is set up. So you waste your time in Linux getting it to behave like MacOS. Obviously if you go into it with the assumption MacOS is correct and the more like MacOS you are, the better, then Linux distros will fail horribly. People do this with Windows, too. If you go into it expecting Windows-isms you're gonna be very disapp…

I had macos forced on me when I joined a company writing forex software. You’re right, it sucked learning all the different keyboard shortcuts, learning to use an extra modifier key (now one of my favorite things) and just little things like double clicking a file renames it :/

I thought it was crazy using the butter knife (from the meme) to write serious software. Previously I was a windows admin at a 500 computer site and dealt with Microsoft, debugging issues in their kernel. Throughout this time I’ve also use Linux extensively from Ubuntu when it came with pc mags to raspberry pi home security projects to servers and boxes. I even compiled gentoo one time for fun.

I have enough experience to know the differences between all of the operating systems from ‘95 through to 22.04LTS. No, macOS can’t be beaten for desktop experience, except for gaming which is now starting to come around also.

Happy to die on this hill.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

#196

Post by cryptoz »

delfinom wrote: post #56
cryptoz wrote: post #19

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How is this possible? I wouldn’t have thought that it could open your applications without you logging in? How does it know who you are? How does it know which applications to open? If you’re not logged in yet, is is just logging in for you automatically but not showing you? Seems like a huge security bug. This isn’t being exploited? Wild stuff. Reminds me of when you could hear a FaceTime call coming through but if…

Vast majority of all laptop and even phone usage is single user. They could literally be doing if macbook_has_only_one_account(): preloadapps()

But how? - surely they don't store the passwords in plain text locally? Does the OS have a function to log in a user while bypassing their credentials? I would have assumed that it is impossible for the OS to preloadapps() when it doesn't have access to the user's apps in the first place.

But apparently it does! shrug

So why tell the user that they need to log in first? If they are the only user account on the system and the OS can access the user's files and apps without logging in, why have the user event set a password in the first place? It seems like a fake login, a false sense of security. And a massive security issue. If the user can just open the lid and that means that code is now running under their own account but they have not authorized a log in, that's just dangerous.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

#197

Post by goodprojection »

ActorNightly wrote: post #182
vundercind wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because all operating systems are terrible but the rest are so incredibly bad that Apple’s are still by far the best, once you add up time saved by features and capabilities and subtract time lost to pain-in-the-ass brokenness. (Two decades on DOS/Windows home series and NT, at least for gaming and sometimes work, twelve years with Linux as my main desktop OS, started on Android for smartphones, before finally giving…

>cause all operating systems are terrible This is code words for "Im emotionally invested into my choice for non logical reasons and its very hard for me to admit I have made the wrong choice".

Sounds like projection to me. lOl

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by ActorNightly »

nearting wrote: post #191
ActorNightly wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>cause all operating systems are terrible This is code words for "Im emotionally invested into my choice for non logical reasons and its very hard for me to admit I have made the wrong choice".

And your response is code for "I'm unfamiliar with the concept of oligopolies, and believe that every consumption choice should be based on logic alone." Come on.

There is a difference between saying "less than optimal" and "bad" if you are really trying to convey some technical point.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

#199

Post by justonenote »

ActorNightly wrote: post #184
aunty_helen wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hard in this camp too. The OS tinkering that is as requirement of Linux racks up a massive time investment. When you use your computer for work, that bill gets big quick and sometimes it's an inconvenience you just can't afford. MacOS, for all it's faults, can be tamed with little snitch and a slower update cycle, and then you have a relatively solid system. There's still some things to hate, like when I take my airp…

I don't get why people still spread the lie that you have to tinker with Linux. Like right now, I can give you a laptop with a clean Linux Mint install, and you never have to touch the terminal for anything system config to do work. Seriously, its not that hard to say that you prefer MacOS because you like the feel of it. It does a lot of handholding for you, unlike Linux, which makes it way less likely for you to me…

That really depends on what type of work you are doing and your specific combo of hardware. And yes you can do work, but when sleep and power management doesn't work it's a significant QoL downgrade.

If you want to use CUDA as a simple example, you'll have to go through the process of using nvidia proprietary drivers and I'm far from well versed on it but that gives me random warnings and I don't quite get the compatibility between it and Xorg/Wayland or which combo to use and I have on more than one laptop ended up with a system that works but that the desktop randomly freezes requiring a hard reboot.

I still do use Linux Desktop and try various different Debian based or Fedora distros out but you definitely do end up tinkering. I don't use MacOS fwiw.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

#200

Post by ActorNightly »

goodprojection wrote: post #197
ActorNightly wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>cause all operating systems are terrible This is code words for "Im emotionally invested into my choice for non logical reasons and its very hard for me to admit I have made the wrong choice".

Sounds like projection to me. lOl

Nope. Standard human behavior. Plenty of studies done that shows that when you attack peoples opinions, it feels like personal attacks. Peoples opinions are a fundamental part of their ego, and we all have a fundamental drive to self actualize, which translates the active process in ensuring that we are what we believe we are.
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