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Chrome is entrenching third-party cookies that will mislead users

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Re: Chrome is entrenching third-party cookies that will mislead users

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Post by grishka »

roelschroeven wrote: post #187
grishka wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DoH and similar technologies don't override /etc/hosts. They're just a different way of making DNS queries. The entire point of these technologies is to prevent your ISP and everyone else along the way from knowing which websites you visit.

DoH means that each application does its own DNS queries, instead of using the OS's functionality. Whether that includes reading /etc/hosts is up to the application, and it looks like high profile applications like Chrome and Firefox don't read /etc/hosts. > The entire point of these technologies is to prevent your ISP and everyone else along the way from knowing which websites you visit. More correctly, the point is…

> DoH means that each application does its own DNS queries, instead of using the OS's functionality.

HUH?! No! You aren't supposed to implement DNS on the application level! Most modern OSes support some form of DNS over TLS at the system level. You should use that.

Re: Chrome is entrenching third-party cookies that will mislead users

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Post by rpastuszak »

autoexec wrote: post #125
codedokode wrote: post #85

Have been using Firefox for a long time, no issues, though long ago when I had little memory, Chrome was using less of it. Firefox also has HTTPS-only mode, encrypted DNS without fallbacks, supports SOCKS and Encrypted Client Hello (although almost no website support it). However, it is better to just buy more memory (unless you are lucky to use Apple products). Regarding analytics, I believe browsers should take use…

> Regarding analytics, I believe browsers should take user's side and do not cooperate with marketing companies Browsers were supposed to act as agents working for the user. User-agents. These days it's getting harder and harder to find a browser that doesn't work for an ad company at the expense of the user. Chrome's entire reason for existing is data collection. Firefox can, for now at least, be hardened to work fo…

> but Mozilla is an ad-tech company too now.

The recent events related to FF are not that much of a shift, considering that Google pays $20B per annum to its (technically non-ad tech) partners, then 85% of Mozilla's total revenue comes from its partnership with Google. That ship had sailed long time ago.

https://untested.sonnet.io/Defaults+Matter%2C+Don't+Assume+C...

Re: Chrome is entrenching third-party cookies that will mislead users

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Post by 71bw »

shiroiushi wrote: post #153
paulryanrogers wrote: post #118

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YouTube, FreshDesk, Google TV (sharing from Firefox)

Huh? I use YouTube all the time on Firefox and it's fine. Better than fine, really, thanks to the YouTube improvement extension I have loaded. Never heard of the other two though.

Google is essentially using A/B testing methods to slow it down for one group of FF users while keeping it absolutely fine for another. Funnily enough, I've been placed in this 'slowdown' group even though I am a Premium subscriber ever since it launched (post-Red renaming) and another channel on the same Google account has 0 issues in the same browser on the same PC etc.

Re: Chrome is entrenching third-party cookies that will mislead users

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Post by 71bw »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #184
heraldgeezer wrote: post #87

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Firefox Nightly just got official vertical tabs. It is also just as fast as Chrome now, subjectively just browsing around. No issues with Google services like Youtube (I'm an addict) I keep Chrome installed just in case, and Edge due to being on Windows.

Firefox already has "vertical tabs" * from the Tree Style Tabs addon. Why not just support that? * side tabs, I would say, the tab is a horizontal extension of the page, so they're horizontal tabs, right?

It's a very clunky solution that falls apart the moment you turn on whatever Incognito was named in Firefox.

Re: Chrome is entrenching third-party cookies that will mislead users

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Post by renonce »

thayne wrote: post #174

This is a tough situation. Yes, this can, and will, be abused for tracking users across domains that they don't expect to be related. But there are also legitimate use cases for this. For example, consider the stackexchange family of sites. They are clearly related, have a unified branding, etc. but are on separate domains. On Firefox, which blocks third party cookies, I have to log in to each of those domains separa…

> I can't log in to stackoverflow.com, then go to superuser.com and already be logged in.

I would expect a popup like “This site wants to share cookies with stackexchange.com, press Allow to sign in, press Reject to reject forever or press Ignore to decide later”. Takes a single click to enjoy the benefits of both worlds. The mechanism should make sure that every website has a single “first-party domain” shared across all subsites and that first-party domain must not share cookies with any other site than itself to minimize confusion.

Re: Chrome is entrenching third-party cookies that will mislead users

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Post by andresp »

Most people here seem to forget that ads is what pays for the free internet services. The main issue with them is not making the consent more explicit to the user. I think the business model: you either get this for free with ads and targeting, or otherwise you have to pay X, should be more common. I bet most people would pick the free option with ads and targeting.

Re: Chrome is entrenching third-party cookies that will mislead users

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Post by hnben »

TylerE wrote: post #45
neilv wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you mean that Brave is a competitor, or something else?

Both a competitor AND a history of operating in, to be polite, less than good faith.

> less than good faith

Could you elaborate?

(I know next to nothing about Brave, so I may not be aware of obvious examples)

Re: Chrome is entrenching third-party cookies that will mislead users

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Post by heraldgeezer »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #184
heraldgeezer wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox Nightly just got official vertical tabs. It is also just as fast as Chrome now, subjectively just browsing around. No issues with Google services like Youtube (I'm an addict) I keep Chrome installed just in case, and Edge due to being on Windows.

Firefox already has "vertical tabs" * from the Tree Style Tabs addon. Why not just support that? * side tabs, I would say, the tab is a horizontal extension of the page, so they're horizontal tabs, right?

Vertical tabs addons have been a thing for years yes. But it is clunky and does not work as well as the native implementation.

Also the notion that Mozilla should "just support that"

lol

This is a thing the devs of Firefox should make and implement.

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