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Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by kgeist »

codedokode wrote: post #150
kgeist wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Durov was notorious in Russia for refusing to cooperate with FSB (successor to KGB), too. I remember when FSB asked him to give access to protester communications on VK (in 2011 during mass protests), he mockingly responded with a picture of a dog with its tongue out (showing your tongue means "I won't give it to ya" in Russian culture). That's why he left Russia, because he felt he'd get arrested soon. Quite ironic…

And my intuition is that Telegram is going to become banned in Russia soon, as Youtube is being banned now and Telegram is the last popular application where you can find the content about war, protests or elections that govt doesn't like.

Telegram has also large Russian pro-war communities, and it's extensively used by soldiers deployed in Ukraine for communication. If pro-war channels outnumber opposition channels (and they probably do), Telegram probably won't be banned as long the government has no alternative.

The fact of Durov getting arrested could be also used for propaganda purposes (no free speech in the West).

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Post by okcorral »

enlyth wrote: post #190
lovegrenoble wrote: post #155

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Already deleted... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41341353

Not deleted, just suddenly demoted to the 4th page. It's that broken HN algorithm that randomly messes up the front page for no reason.

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Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by cactusplant7374 »

llm_trw wrote: post #152
kgeist wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Durov was notorious in Russia for refusing to cooperate with FSB (successor to KGB), too. I remember when FSB asked him to give access to protester communications on VK (in 2011 during mass protests), he mockingly responded with a picture of a dog with its tongue out (showing your tongue means "I won't give it to ya" in Russian culture). That's why he left Russia, because he felt he'd get arrested soon. Quite ironic…

To slightly mis-quote the only good Soviet joke that came out after the fall of the USSR: The Communists lied to us about Communism, unfortunately they didn't lie about the West.

I don’t get it.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by marcuskane2 »

gmueckl wrote: post #139
greatgib wrote: post #2

I did not see the info anywhere else, but it was just broadcasted by the main French tv channel. Pavel Durov, the Telegram founder was just arrested out of his airplane in the Bourget airport in France near Paris. There is no info about why exactly he was arrested but it looks like that French police had a warrant for him. But it looks like it is because that he is accused of being an accessory of a lot of things lik…

That is absolutely not how it works. If you offer a platform for public discourse you are required by law to moderate it or face the consequences. Telegram group chats are technically open to moderation, yet the company has done nothing to put any kind of moderation in place. This is in contrast to Facebook or Twitter. Those platforms will absolutely take down content that is offensive or criminal in nature.

So he's a political prisoner.

The political establishment doesn't want the proletariat having journalism that reports against the wishes of the powerful or of regular people having free speech to be used against the government.

No ethical person should take part in enforcing these laws.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by _Microft »

ndarray wrote: post #183

Why was the other thread removed? It was #1 on the main page.

The discussion you are thinking about is neither dead nor flagged. Overly active discussions get downranked automatically:

„Other factors affecting rank include user flags, anti-abuse software, software which demotes overheated discussions, account or site weighting, and moderator action.“, see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by wkat4242 »

chad1n wrote: post #53
vessenes wrote: post #19

Not clear right now if France thinks he was actively complicit with the four horsemen listed, or if just the act of running Telegram makes him complicit in their eyes, or something in the middle, e.g. they asked for help and Telegram turned them down. This will be an interesting case to watch -- I don't believe there are any western nations that want non-locally-backdoored messaging of any sort -- but generally my un…

EU has been complaining about Telegram's end-to-end encryption for a long time and they want to implement some regulations to basically add backdoors into all messaging apps. I don't really see how this case will go on since at least private chats are encrypted so Telegram (theoretically at least) can't see the contents.

Except Telegram has much less E2EE than Signal or Whatsapp.

It's not on by default, works only between 2 devices, they both have to be online at the same time and you can't access anything from the web. And group chats don't support it at all. Private chats are not end to end encrypted by default and it's actually quite clumsy to encrypt them so almost nobody uses it.

It's really weird that Telegram is singled out like this.

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Post by timeon »

kgeist wrote: post #105
Glacia wrote: post #4

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>I can easily guess that assholes in secret service would probably like very much to use that to blackmail him to add backdoors to telegram Do you unironically believe it's not already backdoored for Russian government?

Durov was notorious in Russia for refusing to cooperate with FSB (successor to KGB), too. I remember when FSB asked him to give access to protester communications on VK (in 2011 during mass protests), he mockingly responded with a picture of a dog with its tongue out (showing your tongue means "I won't give it to ya" in Russian culture). That's why he left Russia, because he felt he'd get arrested soon. Quite ironic…

> Telegram was also banned in Russia for a few years.

What has changed since then?

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Post by kgeist »

baxtr wrote: post #157
kgeist wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Durov was notorious in Russia for refusing to cooperate with FSB (successor to KGB), too. I remember when FSB asked him to give access to protester communications on VK (in 2011 during mass protests), he mockingly responded with a picture of a dog with its tongue out (showing your tongue means "I won't give it to ya" in Russian culture). That's why he left Russia, because he felt he'd get arrested soon. Quite ironic…

So you don’t think that there a chance this could be cleverly staged?

Anything is possible, of course. But without evidence, it'd consider it nothing more than a conspiracy theory.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by jnurmine »

alex00 wrote: post #32

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Based on media reports, Telegram has been continually used by a hostile autocratic government to recruit, organize and direct various gray-zone attacks against Europe, on European soil.

Now it sounds like Europe finally put the foot down.

And why wouldn't they?

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