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AI companies are pivoting from creating gods to building products

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Re: AI companies are pivoting from creating gods to building products

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Post by honestjohn »

paretoer wrote: post #175
honestjohn wrote: post #131

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I don't think so, people have been wanting a general chatbot for a long time. It's useful for plenty of things, just not useful when embedded in random places.

I kind of remember the Turing Test was a big deal for some 70+ years. We should have known that once we pass the Turing Test it would almost instantly become as passe as Deep Blue beating Kasparov on the road to general intelligence. I am taking a break from my LLM subscriptions right now for the first time to gain some perspective and all I miss it for is as a code assistant. I would also miss it for learning anothe…

Stanford researchers said that ChatGPT passes the Turing Test. Honestly I don't understand how, since it's pretty easy to tell that you're talking to it, but yeah I don't think it really matters.

Far more useful than simulating a person, OpenAI managed to index so much information and train their models to present it in a compact way, making ChatGPT better than Google search for some purposes. Also, code generation.

Re: AI companies are pivoting from creating gods to building products

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Post by 8organicbits »

alentred wrote: post #184
8organicbits wrote: post #62

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I haven't found a use for it. What do you use it for?

It is my new Google, ever since Web Search and the Web itself stopped to work as a source of information. When I look for answers to specific questions, I either search Wikipedia, or ask ChatGPT. "Searching the Internet" doesn't work anymore with all the ADs, pop-ups and "optimized" content that I have to consume before I get to find the answers.

Hmm, ChatGPT doesn't seem to provide accurate information often enough to be trustworthy. Have you tried an ad blocker and another search engine like DDG/Bing? Starting with Wikipedia is a good approach too.

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Post by 8organicbits »

cm2012 wrote: post #106
8organicbits wrote: post #62

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I haven't found a use for it. What do you use it for?

It's outrageous at translation. I can set it to record next to my wife and her grandma speaking in Korean, through phone speakers , and it creates a perfect transcription and translation. Insane.

How are you checking that the translation is correct?

Re: AI companies are pivoting from creating gods to building products

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Post by 8organicbits »

kamaal wrote: post #176
8organicbits wrote: post #62

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I haven't found a use for it. What do you use it for?

Everything! Its like talking to a intelligent person about a topic you want to learn, but they know it good enough to teach you if you keep asking questions.

I've found it to be like talking to someone who pretends to know things, but lacks understanding when you probe further.

Re: AI companies are pivoting from creating gods to building products

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Post by 8organicbits »

FpUser wrote: post #78
8organicbits wrote: post #62

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I haven't found a use for it. What do you use it for?

For many things in general for IT related tasks in particular. a) Write me shell script which does this and that. b) what Linux command with what arguments do I call to do such and such thing. c) Write me a function / class in language A/B/C that does this and that d) write me a SQL query that does this and that e) use it as a reference book for any programming language or whatever other subject. etc. etc. The answer…

Do you have any strategy for prompting? I've found I need to spend a lot of effort coaxing it to understand the problem. Hallucinations were pretty common, and it lead me down a couple believable but non-viable paths. Like coding an extension for Chrome, but doing things the permission system will not allow.

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Post by cm2012 »

8organicbits wrote: post #193
cm2012 wrote: post #106

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It's outrageous at translation. I can set it to record next to my wife and her grandma speaking in Korean, through phone speakers , and it creates a perfect transcription and translation. Insane.

How are you checking that the translation is correct?

Wife is next to me and checks after. Never had a single wrong word.

Re: AI companies are pivoting from creating gods to building products

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Post by cm2012 »

ausbah wrote: post #185
cm2012 wrote: post #106

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It's outrageous at translation. I can set it to record next to my wife and her grandma speaking in Korean, through phone speakers , and it creates a perfect transcription and translation. Insane.

what is the delay? i imagine translation specific models would be better?

Like a minute, it's not real time. You click record, let it transcribe then ask it to translate

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Post by bugbuddy »

_heimdall wrote: post #177
turkey99 wrote: post #150

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Seems a bit of a stretch. Git is not linear, and there’s no consensus mechanisms

git is linear, if multiple users have a different main branch history you have a problem. Pull requests in github is actually very similar conceptually to a consensus mechanism used in crypto currencies. Everyone has an identical copy of the main branch with an identical history of every commit in order, a PR is saying "I think this commit goes next" and, if you use code reviews, the PR approval is consensus.

This is the most unhinged thing I have ever read about git ever. Please share whatever you are hitting.

Have you ever seen a git graph? Does this look linear? https://tortoisegit.org/docs/tortoisegit/images/RevisionGrap...

Re: AI companies are pivoting from creating gods to building products

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Post by _heimdall »

bugbuddy wrote: post #198
_heimdall wrote: post #177

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git is linear, if multiple users have a different main branch history you have a problem. Pull requests in github is actually very similar conceptually to a consensus mechanism used in crypto currencies. Everyone has an identical copy of the main branch with an identical history of every commit in order, a PR is saying "I think this commit goes next" and, if you use code reviews, the PR approval is consensus.

This is the most unhinged thing I have ever read about git ever. Please share whatever you are hitting. Have you ever seen a git graph? Does this look linear? https://tortoisegit.org/docs/tortoisegit/images/RevisionGrap...

Have you considered that the single source of truth, the chain that has consensus in the blockchain terminology, is the main/primary branch?

All secondary branches are works in progress that may be proposed as new commits to main.

Sticking with the blockchain comparison, every side branch in got is akin to potential blocks that miners are working on.

Re: AI companies are pivoting from creating gods to building products

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Post by bugbuddy »

_heimdall wrote: post #199
bugbuddy wrote: post #198

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This is the most unhinged thing I have ever read about git ever. Please share whatever you are hitting. Have you ever seen a git graph? Does this look linear? https://tortoisegit.org/docs/tortoisegit/images/RevisionGrap...

Have you considered that the single source of truth, the chain that has consensus in the blockchain terminology, is the main/primary branch? All secondary branches are works in progress that may be proposed as new commits to main. Sticking with the blockchain comparison, every side branch in got is akin to potential blocks that miners are working on.

Well, that’s it. I am done with this site.
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