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Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by dansitu »

vessenes wrote: post #103

A fair amount of “this is fine, governments enforce IP laws and that’s a public good” vibes in here, which is all a very reasonable perspective. I’d argue Kim was too successful and too unlikeable at the end of the day, and that was probably his downfall. Toward the end, MEGA had transitioned to actually partnering with hip hop artists for distribution. The US has a long history of IP rights holders criminalizing new…

> MEGA was too early and too tainted (and run by an aggressively weird / antagonistic dude) to become Spotify.

Megaupload was founded in 2005 and Spotify was founded in 2006, so it's unlikely that being too early was a factor.

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by slightwinder »

donatj wrote: post #129

What exactly has Mega done that Dropbox hasn't? In my eyes they're basically the same product, the only difference being Mega's edgier tone.

It's about MegaUpload, not Mega. True, they both offer(ed) cloud-storage and public sharing, but MegaUpload was much more on the shady side. They were stalling and ignoring requests for removing illegal content. Furthermore, they were even actively supporting uploads of popular content. I vaguely remember they were even paying some people. Over all, it was a platform strongly focused on distribution of illegal content. And this is just about commercial content. I wouldn't be surprised if it also was popular for porn and abuse-content.

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by blackeyeblitzar »

It is unconscionable that governments in both countries are spending time on this or chasing Assange or Snowden instead of the criminality of things like government warrantless surveillance, megacorp anti competitive actions, civil forfeiture, etc. Or the cartel of organizations behind this extradition that abuse copyright laws to keep things out of public domain. Or companies all exchanging our private information with each other, which inevitably gets released in a hack, which is far worse than a storage platform being used by some people to share songs or whatever.

Are any candidates actually against this farce? Or are they all simply working for the companies behind this?

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by SXX »

GrantMoyer wrote: post #119
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish people wouldn't cheer when criminals evade accountability.

Some criminals deserved to be cheered on, such as Alexandra Elbakyan.

BTW she is as bad as Kim Dotcom in terms of being Putin shill and other crazy stuff. So people who dislike Dotcom for this would be surprised to learn that Elbakyan is as bad.

I mean she doing gods work on making science more open to everyone, but if she were living in New Zealand she would land in US prison for 10+ years long ago.

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by evgen »

stephen_g wrote: post #151
zerkten wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China is a concern for Australia whether the US is in the picture or not. Australia's interests are highly aligned with those of the US. The increased engagement from the US is being welcomed by most Australians, but the issue is really around the implementation. AUKUS is one of these huge deals with the results coming many years after huge investments creating great uncertainty. That makes it easy to attack politica…

The political class, yes, welcome the engagement. But not most Australians!

A claim that is categorically untrue and easily disproven. It takes less than ten seconds to google up multiple surveys that show the opinions of the Australian public. The most recent broad survey was conducted less than a month ago, but before Biden dropped out when it appeared Trump was likely to win the upcoming presidential election (relevant fact because the question was asked and answered regarding whether another Trump presidency would diminish support for the US.) Several key take-aways from this survey show:

  - 80%+ said close ties with the US was important to AU security
  - 70%+ named China as a security threat to AU
  - 55%+ stated confidence in the US acting responsibly in the world
There are other similar points if interest in the survey but the facts are quite clear that Australians do welcome more engagement with the US and see it is a counter to Chinese threats in the region.

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Post by jokethrowaway »

preaching5271 wrote: post #91
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think it's clear for everybody that one cannot get away with this kind of stuff, once governments get involved. I'm far more concerned with the stuff that governments get away with, including infringement of the freedom to share information.

Totally fair point, but what can you do? This is how the world works. Fighting such beasts is pointless. You might tame them with lobby money, but no billionaire is interested. And we're now talking about the human spirit that cannot be chained, as also seen in Pirate Bay or Snowden. Sure, people do need heroes and hope from time to time. But I have become less romantic over the years, and more careful.

Educate the next generations.

Maybe we'll have a generation of people with a backbone again who will be able to free us from government oppression.

The trend is going the other way, so I think we're heading to socialism-ville for a repetition of last century's lessons.

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by bee_rider »

curiousObject wrote: post #120

Kim DC is not a likeable or admirable person, but this vindictive pursuit seems even worse. It appears very similar to the treatment of Ross Ulbricht, Assange, maybe even Snowden? These are the equivalent of white collar crimes (typical massive frauds from the finance sector, etc) but they are getting a blue collar punishment of decades in jail that a successful and persistent street drug dealer could receive, NOT th…

White collar crimes should be punished with the same vigor as blue collar ones. White collar crimes mostly steal money, at scale. Insufficient money is a huge cause of suffering—people don’t get to retire at early, they and their kids don’t get the opportunities they would have had otherwise.

You can be a drug dealer that doesn’t hurt anybody.

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

curiousObject wrote: post #120

Kim DC is not a likeable or admirable person, but this vindictive pursuit seems even worse. It appears very similar to the treatment of Ross Ulbricht, Assange, maybe even Snowden? These are the equivalent of white collar crimes (typical massive frauds from the finance sector, etc) but they are getting a blue collar punishment of decades in jail that a successful and persistent street drug dealer could receive, NOT th…

US Gov's revenge-deployment machine was first put in motion at the request copyright industry (which funds elections).

Through the 2000s and 2010s, legislators (and by extension LEO agencies) were extremely responsive to whims of copyright lobbyists. ex: ICE agents patrolling events for locals selling knock-off goods.

It was so pervasive, news orgs noticed it - and even covered some non-sensational incidents. Though I don't recall journalists ever following the money.

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Post by slightwinder »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #77
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish people wouldn't cheer when criminals evade accountability.

File sharing is not a crime. IP holder damages should take in consideration what the actual buying power of pirates is, not just multiply downloads by dvd costs, and copyright laws need a huge reform. He's a modern day robin hood, people would prefer him to win over eg. disney... and disney is not doing itself a favour these days :)

> File sharing is not a crime.

Depending on the content, it is.

> He's a modern day robin hood

Robin Hood didn't enrich himself with the stolen goods.

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by objectivetruth »

DSingularity wrote: post #144
Tade0 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tweet about opposing war in ukraine arguing that NATO is outdated and not in the interest of Ukrainians? Oh pay no attention to him -- he is on the communist payroll. Hailing from a country that joined NATO in the 90s I wouldn't brand a person arguing this as being on communist payroll - just ignorant beyond measure. Russia has been a consistently bad neighbour for decades now and I for one am happy that in my coun…

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