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Re: Firefox Browser Ported to HaikuOS

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Post by jordibc »

asadotzler wrote: post #151
simcop2387 wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both Phoenix and Firebird were over the naming and trademark clashes: For firebird, https://www.cnet.com/tech/tech-industry/mozilla-holds-fire-i... and https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/mozillas-fir... in this case it was AOL Time Warner that owned the Firebird trademark for the database. 2) For Phoenix, https://web.archive.org/web/20070914035447/http://www.ibphoe... the main reporting on it seems to be…

Phoenix was because of a challenge from Phoenix Technologies, the BIOS maker. Firefox was because of concerns about stomping on a small OSS project, the Firebird Database. I was responsible for all of this at Mozilla. Happy to answer any questions.

Thanks for clarifying! FWIW, I wasn't there, but that matches exactly what I remember from that time (I did follow all the different renamings in detail).

Re: Firefox Browser Ported to HaikuOS

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Post by aflag »

actionfromafar wrote: post #124
aflag wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you using windows xp?

It amuses me.

Nostalgia is a powerful thing :) I have that for Windows 95 and 98. During the XP era I was mostly using Linux, though I did use xp for gaming every now and then.

Re: Firefox Browser Ported to HaikuOS

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Post by anthk »

smallstepforman wrote: post #42

Some history about Firefox and BeOS. Before Firefox, there was Mozilla, which had a BeOS port (called Bezilla). Bezilla was bloated and slow. So the BeOS community tried to make a stripped version of Mozilla with only the browser (minus all the bloat). This project became an inspiration to do the same for Mozilla, and that product became Firebug (or something similar - edit phoenix, then firebird), which due to trade…

Galeon and Kazekahase existed too.

Re: Firefox Browser Ported to HaikuOS

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Post by anthk »

ahoka wrote: post #79
desdenova wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly what I thought as well. UIs get increasingly slower as time passes, not snappier. We had snappy UIs in the 80s and 90s.

That's just comparing CRT screens with 60Hz LCD panels. Get anything 120Hz+ and you will see that modern systems are very snappy.

My CRT did 1024x768@85 HZ.

Re: Firefox Browser Ported to HaikuOS

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Post by anthk »

StressedDev wrote: post #180
actionfromafar wrote: post #21

Firefox ported to HaikuOS, before it's ported to Windows XP. :-) (If you need a modern browser on XP, in the meantime try the Chrome port: https://win32subsystem.live/supermium/ )

Windows XP machines should not be connected to a network because they no longer receive security patches. They will get hacked if they are connected to a network (and please remember that not every piece of malware is obvious, some malware is stealthy, and just steal information from the hacked machine). Also, you connect a machine which can be hacked, you are not just hurting yourself. That machine can be used for a…

If you disable all the networking and RPC service crap it can be pretty secure with Retrozilla for Gopher, Supermium+UBlock Origin and a hosts file.

Re: Firefox Browser Ported to HaikuOS

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Post by anthk »

hexagonwin wrote: post #108
actionfromafar wrote: post #21

Firefox ported to HaikuOS, before it's ported to Windows XP. :-) (If you need a modern browser on XP, in the meantime try the Chrome port: https://win32subsystem.live/supermium/ )

there's mypal68 and latest runs with ocapi (though it's way too hacky tbh)

And Retrozilla with the MSFN hacks to state TLS 1.3 at about:config

Altough with Gopher and gopher://magical.fish (and invidious instances plus Gopher services to search in Youtube and such) most of the web modulo complex logged sites can be avoided if the user wants to read some news without bogging down its machine.

Even http://portal.mozz.us works well against Gemini services such as gemini://gemi.dev to read Ars Technica, The Register, most newspapers...

El Reg: https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/vi...

Ars: https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/fe...

Wired: https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/li...

BBC: https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/li...

No videos, but you can read the articles and see the images. Pretty cool for a Pentium 2 for instance.

Anyway, Synchro.net with some NNTP client against FIDO/Dove and the actual Usenet will give and XP user far better talks on retro and current news.

Also, old IRC clients can connect to http://bitlbee.org against public servers and use current protocols such as Discord and modern IRC (TLS) and Jabber, among others.

Re: Firefox Browser Ported to HaikuOS

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Post by rbanffy »

teddyh wrote: post #94
ahoka wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Original NeXT was monochrome, so of course it used no significant colors in the UI.

The original NeXTcube was 4-bit grayscale, but there was a graphics card available which supported 24-bit colour. The later NeXTstations supported 12-bit colours without any additional hardware.

> was 4-bit grayscale

Small nitpick: it was 2-bit and could do two greys in addition to black and white.

Re: Firefox Browser Ported to HaikuOS

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Post by rbanffy »

bmacho wrote: post #85
rbanffy wrote: post #69

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The UI was minimalistic, but with better hardware we also wanted nicer fonts, transitions, wobbly windows (I actually miss those) and countless other nice things that take time. Also, it’s pointless to open a menu in less time than it takes the screen to refresh.

> Also, it’s pointless to open a menu in less time than it takes the screen to refresh. No, that would be the goal.

How many times do you want to refresh it without the user seeing it?

Once should be quite enough.

Re: Firefox Browser Ported to HaikuOS

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Post by teddyh »

rbanffy wrote: post #198
teddyh wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The original NeXTcube was 4-bit grayscale, but there was a graphics card available which supported 24-bit colour. The later NeXTstations supported 12-bit colours without any additional hardware.

> was 4-bit grayscale Small nitpick: it was 2-bit and could do two greys in addition to black and white.

Thank you. I actually knew that; I was thinking “4 shades”, and then wrote “4-bit” by mistake.
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