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Re: Cosmic: A New Desktop Environment

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a classic market irony example is keyboards.. Every single user here has a keyboard, yet keyboards on a mass scale are cheap and badly designed, with no end in sight.

How could the design of keyboards be improved?

Look at Kinesis 2/360, Glove 80, Keyboardio Model 100. I've used most of them for extended periods of time and would not touch a staggered keyboard with a stick.

Another angle for optimization would be QWERTY itself.

Re: Cosmic: A New Desktop Environment

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A lot of shallow "but the buttons!" comments here... no need to be so negative. This is the first alpha release of a full new desktop environment, built on a new GUI toolkit (based on Iced) and a new Wayland compositor, together with a suite of applications, all built from scratch in Rust .... give it some time. Most interesting to me is the integrated tiling support. I've been on i3/sway for many years, but a lean,…

Why do you think it's shallow to care about the usability of basic controls like buttons and windows?

Re: Cosmic: A New Desktop Environment

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I couldn't agree more. I feel like as the computer literacy of the people making decisions in tech companies has gone up, the care that's being invested into actually making good user interfaces has gone down. This applies to Macs, Windows, and also to Linux desktop environments. Just 15 years ago, there was a heavy focus on usability and making user interfaces clear and readable. Now, the focus seems to be much more…

KDE 3.5 still exists and is still usable. check it out at trinitydesktop.org

Even plasma 5 and 6 are pretty legible. At least, much more so than Gnome-land. The UI is dense, there's lines and separators, buttons are outlined.

Re: Cosmic: A New Desktop Environment

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Everything I can have in Mate

So is the claim that any DE with a top bar and launcher icons looks like MATE? Or because you can customize MATE, that it's just like every other DE? Makes no sense.

I don't think you can customise MacOS launcher to look like default MATE but you can definitely customise MATE to look like default MacOS

Re: Cosmic: A New Desktop Environment

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Everything I can have in Mate

So is the claim that any DE with a top bar and launcher icons looks like MATE? Or because you can customize MATE, that it's just like every other DE? Makes no sense.

The claim is Mate can do almost everything this DE does, so switching to yet another wannabe Mac DE isn't worth the hassle. (I'd be interested had they broke away from this ubiquitous Mac mimicry.)

Re: Cosmic: A New Desktop Environment

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One cool feature that I didn’t see described very well here is Cosmic allows you to group windows in tabs, but the tabs can be different applications. Kind of an interesting idea that the OS/window manager is what should be responsible for tab support, not each application.

This reminds me of a discussion on Twitter about this. Macintosh System 7 that had an app called Stapler, early Mac OS X had one called LaunchList both contained aliases to apps and documents. So I see the benefit of the OS managing this grouping.

So, over the last day or so I've built a modern macOS version of the app Stapler! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41212193

Re: Cosmic: A New Desktop Environment

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One cool feature that I didn’t see described very well here is Cosmic allows you to group windows in tabs, but the tabs can be different applications. Kind of an interesting idea that the OS/window manager is what should be responsible for tab support, not each application.

"Kind of an interesting idea that the OS/window manager is what should be responsible for tab support, not each application."

I agree completely, and even popup menus, sidebars and other sections of apps could/should be handled above/outside the app, for consistency, flexibility, etc.

Re: Cosmic: A New Desktop Environment

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Stacking is fantastic feature but it's not unique to Cosmic as the current DE for Pop_OS already has this feature. Also available on Windows with FancyWM, which has been growing on me.

I've been running PopOS, but don't see it - the Super+S stack shortcuts don't seem to be available unless I'm missing something.

I think it doesn't work unless you're in the tiling mode. You can also drag one one window into another window.

Re: Cosmic: A New Desktop Environment

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Stacking is fantastic feature but it's not unique to Cosmic as the current DE for Pop_OS already has this feature. Also available on Windows with FancyWM, which has been growing on me.

Several Linux WMs and DEs had this feature a long time ago, when screen space was kind of at a premium. Fluxbox had it for as long as I can remember it. KDE used to have it at some point in its 3.x or 4.x-series releases, I don't recall which one.

I would love to see this in xfwm4
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