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The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by darepublic »

andrepd wrote: post #185
vegadw wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What frustrates me is that, it seems (Read as: the following is just my vibe) that the majority of 3rd places left are religious in nature, but I, personally, don't want to be religious or raise children that are. There are some options, of course, but they're limited and often of poor quality, at least locally. Libraries are trying to adapt to fill this gap, and maker spaces spring up but most don't have funding to…

Sports, hobby groups, book clubs? There are plenty of options to meet like-minded people other than churches.

Chess clubs in my city mostly closed down due to online games. I remember the largest club owner complaining of this in the early 2000s

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by parpfish »

cooolbear wrote: post #177

I'm surprised that the definition of 'community' he uses here so strongly revolves around a shared identity and activity, and that what is shared is what defines a community. For one, I don't really think communities where people share the same interests or ritual really does the trick, otherwise so-called YouTube 'communities' or Twitch stream 'communities' or even strangers you play games with online would be all t…

when community is formed geographically, it also helps that there's a diversity of people/opinions which serves to moderate the group.

if people select community based on some other criterion, you are more likely to get narrow group think and increasingly extreme opinions/culture that isn't ultimately welcoming or sustainable.

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by weberer »

thih9 wrote: post #70

HN readers of any age who felt alone at some point and found community - what worked for you?

Moving out of the city and into a small town. It made a night and day difference. Neighbors became people you actually know and talk to rather than just another stranger like the thousands of others on your block. Another commenter really nailed the difference in behavior between home owners who have a 30 year stake in the neighborhood, and renters who will probably be gone next year.

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by volkk »

zarzavat wrote: post #136
volkk wrote: post #84

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i would guess one effects the other in a negative (positive?) feedback loop. access to your phone & 24/7 easy access to social media started to erode communities and now people just rely on their phones because they have zero community around. there is nothing interesting to look to if you look away from your phone because the rest of the people around you are on their phones. EVERYBODY is glued to their devices ever…

Positive feedback loop. Negative feedback loop is like homeostasis or a PID controller.

had a feeling. thanks

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by parpfish »

ativzzz wrote: post #142
philip1209 wrote: post #66

The books the authors cite are great and worth reading. Some personal observations: - The USA lacks a unified cultural identity now. There are lots of reasons for this. But, it's considered taboo to express a love of the USA - which hurts our community + culture. - People put a lot of effort into work, and work is becoming more transactional. No more "life-long employment with the buddies" kind of situation. - Americ…

> But, it's considered taboo to express a love of the USA I don't agree. Every sporting event still plays the national anthem and often has soldiers or military involvement or mentions I see US flags all the time, all over the place. There are certain forms of "love" of the USA that are more politically one-sided that may be more taboo if you live in an area where most people are on the other side.

there are a lot of people that like the national anthem and fly flags, but that's for a distinct slice of america.

one tribe likes flags and overt patriotism, the other side does not.

if i see a person with a flag sticker on their car, i can probably guess a lot of their unrelated political opinions

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by iwontberude »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #176
jamil7 wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it’s pretty reasonable to expect people with cars to pay for parking?

At a lot at a shopping mall, sure. At a park in the suburbs, IMO significantly less so. Especially when ostensibly my property taxes are already paying for the fucking park.

We should be friends, I like the way you think.

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by pphysch »

ativzzz wrote: post #142
philip1209 wrote: post #66

The books the authors cite are great and worth reading. Some personal observations: - The USA lacks a unified cultural identity now. There are lots of reasons for this. But, it's considered taboo to express a love of the USA - which hurts our community + culture. - People put a lot of effort into work, and work is becoming more transactional. No more "life-long employment with the buddies" kind of situation. - Americ…

> But, it's considered taboo to express a love of the USA I don't agree. Every sporting event still plays the national anthem and often has soldiers or military involvement or mentions I see US flags all the time, all over the place. There are certain forms of "love" of the USA that are more politically one-sided that may be more taboo if you live in an area where most people are on the other side.

To me there is a profound difference between the flag-waving, corporate, pinko-hating, anti-social pseudo-patriotism exemplified by Reagan, which is still popular today, and actual patriotism.

"Patriotism" as superficial brand-loyalty versus patriotism as lifelong civil-service.

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Post by benreesman »

andrepd wrote: post #185
vegadw wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What frustrates me is that, it seems (Read as: the following is just my vibe) that the majority of 3rd places left are religious in nature, but I, personally, don't want to be religious or raise children that are. There are some options, of course, but they're limited and often of poor quality, at least locally. Libraries are trying to adapt to fill this gap, and maker spaces spring up but most don't have funding to…

Sports, hobby groups, book clubs? There are plenty of options to meet like-minded people other than churches.

The extent to which such a list is accurate and complete is the extent to which it’s a great list of startup ideas to destroy some community institution, make it impossible to do without an app, and put ads on it.

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by whythre »

alexfromapex wrote: post #158
kelseyfrog wrote: post #82

Well, yes, we've doubled down on mediating social interactions through economic relationships. Most of the interactions adults have in their lives are with or in the framing of economic relations. Homes, are being invaded with tablets and mobile devices which bring along with them framing interactions as economic relations through ad and consumer frames. Workplaces are inherently settings of economic relations, and t…

This is so accurate. There's been lots of talk of enshittification and it really is just everything now. Monetizing the well in modern capitalism means poisoning it. It all can be traced back to lobbying in politics. They need to ban money from politics immediately and everything will improve.

That just means the money moves in stealthier ways. Instead of soft corruption you get hard corruption.

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by Chris2048 »

vishnugupta wrote: post #101

One big change I've noticed between growing up in a small town and now where I'm in my mid 40s in a big metro city in India is increased "transactional" nature of interactions of my daily life. Back then we had a deeper ties with all those who served us by which I mean vegetable vendor, carpenter, doctor, knife sharpener, cloth shop, grocer, baker and so on. Whenever we interacted with them it would be a small chit-c…

> I'm now connected only with my immediate family, that's it

Are there no other ways to make friends via social activities?

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