I think I speak for most people when I say I want my music "discovery" playlist to be something like "mostly stuff that sounds like stuff I've indicated that I like" with a small amount of "not sure I'll like it, but suprise me". It sounds like OP is looking for the ability to turn up the "surprise me" factor at the expense of maybe having to skip a few more songs that just aren't clicking with them. So maybe somethi…
You're welcome to your preferences but I think you need evidence to claim you "speak for most people".
The lie of music discovery algorithms
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Re: The lie of music discovery algorithms
#192Way back when Last.FM has its own radio service, I could throw a few random genres and/or artists at it, and it would recommend me pretty much exactly want I wanted every time. I gladly enabled scrobbling in my music players, and it tended to recommend me good stuff every time. Ever since its radio feature got killed, its database has been getting worse and worse. Just now, I tried to search for some things it used t…
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#193I'd be quite happy if Spotify just went away. The world of music would be much better off. My solution (doesn't work for everyone): I have a large library on the microSD card on my phone, and set the music player to Shuffle. Quite often a song comes on and I think, "Wow, I own THAT??" OK, I'll admit that doesn't play any new music. However, no bills for bandwidth!
> I'd be quite happy if Spotify just went away. The world of music would be much better off. Why? It's almost exactly the same experience you get from all the competing services, and that experience is fantastic: any album, any song, instantly ready to play. > I have a large library on the microSD card on my phone, and set the music player to Shuffle. This is a fine situation to be in but from the perspective of your…
You got that right.
This is a totally vapid, progress-is-great response. Do you work for Spotify?
Read some Ted Gioia and get cured of that.
Re: The lie of music discovery algorithms
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#195Earlier quoted context omitted.
They 100% do not pull from the same sources. Hey Jude by The Beatles - Tidal lists 22 different people who worked on this song. Spotify lists 3.
Thanks, that's really surprising. Credits get into ownership and payment, and I assumed some group of authorities would have that on lock, and would have pooled all their data since it's sort of in their interest to do so. Silly me I guess!
Re: The lie of music discovery algorithms
#196Way back when Last.FM has its own radio service, I could throw a few random genres and/or artists at it, and it would recommend me pretty much exactly want I wanted every time. I gladly enabled scrobbling in my music players, and it tended to recommend me good stuff every time. Ever since its radio feature got killed, its database has been getting worse and worse. Just now, I tried to search for some things it used t…
Presumably their recommendation algorithm and the Music Genome Project tagging allowed them to, given a set of tags, find similarly tagged songs. This worked really well. It's how they used it and how they picked what track to play next that caused issues.
First, thumbs up. As far as I could tell, at the time Pandora would strongly prefer to play a track you'd thumbsed up on a station over anything else, as long as it was available to play, which mainly just required it to not have played to you in the last two hours. So if you used thumbs up the normal way, a well-used station would eventually turn into a loop of things you'd already heard.
Second, the way they used the algorithm - it seemed to me like they only or mostly used the station seeds as the input, there was no blending going on, and if thumbs ups impacted it, well, they had their own problems. That is, if you had a station with two seeds, it played some songs close to one seed, then it switched to the other seed and played some songs close to the other seed. Skipping would usually bump you to a different seed.
To get around all this and get a variety of new material, I created a station with a lot of seeds - 25 to 50 or more - and never thumbsed up anything on it.