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OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

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Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

#191
post #84

This is in a way very good, as it will be another differentiator between smart people and others: average Joe will indulge himself in hallucinations while a few will retain the knowledge of querying a search engine, citing a source and critically think of what they read.

I assume you see yourself as one of the special few, much better than those average Joe's.

Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

#192

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they've had voice to text to voice for a long time, the new thing was suppose to be a voice 2 voice transformer

yeah, exactly. It’s already available. Just open a ChatGPT 4o chat on the app and click the headphones icon on the lower right.

this is really a common misconception mostly caused due to confusing UI in the app. See https://simonwillison.net/2024/May/15/chatgpt-in-4o-mode/

Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

#193

Have we figured out a way to monetize AI-powered search yet? Presumably a product like this (or Perplexity) will ultimately be free, in which case they'll be forced to offer ads (bringing us back to Google's status quo) or perhaps worse, we'll have "product placement" in our AI-written results.

There could be 2 plans: ad supported and paid version just like YouTube, Spotify etc.

Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

#195

Maybe SEO will finally die. A man can dream.

I can’t remember the last time I had to wade through blogspam to find an answer to something I wanted. I also haven’t had to endlessly look at stack overflow questions for a couple years now. I’m really grateful to stay away from most of what the modern web has turned into

It's 50/50. The consumer is not the only one who suffers. I was speaking as a web developer.

Can't stand the requirements from SEO departments at any company.

- Urls must end with trailing slash

- (Next head of SEO joins) Urls must not end with trailing slash

- The images must be perfect size for the screen

- Website must work without any javascript

- The localization URL of the website must be some weird format that I created (not the ISO de-DE for example)

And the list goes on.... If LLM search will actually take over none of these things will matter (finally)

Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

#196
post #120

I will give OpenAI credit for having a capable product team that builds on top of the existing models. As much as I love Anthropic (the only AI company I pay), they seem to be investing almost nothing in pure product orgs. No way to manage chats, memory usage is very high on the web ui (700mb claude vs. 100mb chatgpt on my mac), artifacts can be very hit or miss. They've been hiring the brightest ML people, time to b…

Hard disagree. Anthropic hired Mike Krieger. He's awesome at product. Give it time.

Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

#198
post #79

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You realize GPT-4o was released in May? And the new Facebook models within the past week? New models are coming fast too.

New models, not refinements on old models. You know what the OP was saying. Why the pedantry?

I don't think it's pedantry.

To what extent 4o is a new model or a refinement depends on:

a) technology

b) thresholds for what it means for a model to be "new"

Not naming.

We have no clue about what happens within the super-secretive ironically-named OpenAI. To me, it feels like a new model. To you, it feels like a refinement. Unless one of us has insider information, I'm not sure it's worth disputing. We have a difference of opinion, and likely, neither of us has anything to back it up.

Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

#199
post #125

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No, thats illogical. The action is indeed prompted by a human, but so is any crawl in some way. At some point they either configured an interval or other trigger to send the script to the Web host to fetch anything it can find. It's inherently different to extensions such as adblockers that just remove elements according to configuration. After all, the users device will never even see the final DOM now. instead it's…

I wrote a reply but you edited out the chunk of text that I quoted, so here's a new reply. > After all, the users device will never even see the final DOM now. instead it's getting fetched, parsed and processed on a third device, which is objectively a robot. Sure, but why does it matter if the machine that I ask to fetch, parse, and process the DOM lives on my computer or on someone else's? I, the human being, will…

I'm honestly confused here, if anything, aren't your quotes literally confirming my point?

It's triggering an automation which fetches data. This is a crawl, even if the crawl has a very limited scope (it's also not limited to a single request, that's just the scope that's used by default. But even if it was programmatically limited to only ever request a single resource, that'd still be a crawl, while recursion is the norm too build indexes, it's not necessary for all usecases that utilize crawlers.

Did you ever actually make anything that's utilizing them to gather information that you want? You might be surprised to know that adhoc triggering a singular resource fetch is actually pretty common to keep data up-to-date.

> If I issue a curl request from a server that I'm renting, is that a robot request? What about if I'm using Firefox on a remote desktop? What about if I self-host a client like Perplexity on a local server?

Yes, anything on a third device is effectively a robot that's acting on the behalf of the acteur.

Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

#200
post #91

I have found Perplexity to be very useful; if OpenAI can better Perplexity Alphabet has a big problem (at least until the opposition ruin their products by monetising them).

Agreed. Highly recommend giving it a go for anyone who hasn't tried it. I'm a heavy (paid) chat gpt user, but for anything that I know in advance the answer will benefit from a web search (because it needs recent data), I use perplexity.

Tried it based on your recommendation, but was a bit disappointed.

I asked Perplexity Pro about the difference between the Rapier and Jolt physics engines. It missed many things that’s clearly available in the docs such as determinism and JS language bindings for Jolt, which makes me afraid to trust it.

Also asked about best Italian pizza places near my address to try something completely different. The top result doesn’t serve pizza and the 2nd result was many kilometers away.

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