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No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

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Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

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We expect young men to grow up and become "husband material". Due to various changes (standards for husbands rising, economic opportunity diminishing), this goal has become clearly unreachable for many. I would opt out if I was a poor young man today, and focus on enjoying the small pleasures (drinking with my buddies, playing PS5). The hill they are expected to climb is ludicrous, and I am not surprised they respond…

Damn. This is the first I’m hearing I wasn’t allowed to have a job AND play PS5. I’ll have to rectify this at once.

What are the rising standards though? Not beating your wife?

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

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Also: Nobody in a village should take up 2 houses for themself. But some can, and can even take up 100 houses... so long as the other villagers are fighting amongst themselves, over whether their house should be larger than that of their neighbor. Turns out most of their problems are arguably traceable back to those people with 100+ houses each. Which would be glaringly suspicious to an outside observer. But the vill…

Institutional housing ownership in the US is not a material contributor to housing price inflation [1]. With that said , we are approaching a housing shortage of +4.5M [2] units, and in concert with YieldStar's Backpage revenue maximization engine [3] (which is laundering landlord price fixing), renters are being squeezed (because where are you going to go if you can't afford to buy? you will pay, or you will be home…

Canadian leaders have finally admitted that high levels of immigration combined with no changes to housing policy has destroyed their affordability.

This means immigration policies must be explicitly tied to housing policy if you don’t want to screw over your poor.

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

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"serf class"? Immigrants to America come here because they choose to. They're not serfs, they're not locked to the land. They move freely, and at much higher rates than other Americans do.

immigrants come because they have no better choice that's called exploitation

No it's not. We're offering additional choices to the immigrants, all the moral blame lies on the people who are persecuting the immigrants so much that they are forced to flee.

Yes, we often exploit illegal immigrants, but legal immigration is not exploitation.

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"serf class"? Immigrants to America come here because they choose to. They're not serfs, they're not locked to the land. They move freely, and at much higher rates than other Americans do.

Okay, "serf" was the wrong word, since they are indeed not bound to parcels of land under a feudal government. What do you think about the content of my point?

I think it only applies to illegal immigration, not legal immigration.

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

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> Those who sit at or near the apex of the social ladder (who decide what behaviors are prestigious) have decided that family stability is unimportant. The author unironically writes this after pointing out that research shows that affluent families the share of families with biological parents has only dropped to 85% from 95% while the share for poor families has dropped to 30% from 95%. The idea that the social ape…

I’m in a thriving affluent family community, and I haven’t seen anything like what my lived experience is portrayed in media after the 1980s. I think this is a case of the unwashed masses having no idea how good it can get, and the government failing to counteract cultural messages that being a single mom is empowering.

I remember when The Simpsons first came out, and the writers were going for the "low/working class struggling family" vibe. Now, you look at the same Simpsons lifestyle and think "These guys are loaded!" Single earner with a stable job, two story house in the suburbs, kids' school is not dysfunctional or gang-ridden. This is like a top 10% lifestyle in 2024 USA.

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

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34% of Americans rent their homes, and having a good stock of rental units is good for America because it makes it a lot easier to move. Institutional owners provide the vast majority of rental units. Getting rid of institutional ownership would increase rental prices substantially, and that's bad for the poor and for the mobile.

> Getting rid of institutional ownership would increase rental prices substantially, and that's bad for the poor and for the mobile. Extremes are unhelpful, we must find balance. Institutional ownership restrictions reduces monopoly pricing power, and rent controls de-risk against rents rising faster than wages. Outright outlawing of institutional ownership is not a solution, but allowing it to operate in a highly re…

The standard refrain is that the housing market is over-regulated, NIMBY's have made it too hard to build. Adding more regulation discouraging instutitions from building sounds like making the problem worse rather than better.

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

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What I took away from this article is that many low-income men have no real interest in being fathers or raising children. Yet, they tend to produce children anyway. We should focus on making birth control more accessible, instead of trying to make people take responsibility for raising children they obviously don't want. That guy who spends all his money on weed and booze while his kids go hungry? He should have got…

Most doctors refuse to perform sterilization procedures on young people, at least until after they have had children. After all, what if they change their minds? My girlfriend couldn’t get hers done until she was over 30.

This decision really needs to be removed from the hands of doctors, as long as there is no physical risk to the patient.

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

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I've read TFA and another one linked by TFA. I did enjoy the reads and the links but... In both articles the author seems to contradict himself, more than once.

For example:

> The affluent have decoupled social status from goods, and re-attached it to beliefs.

> it is those who have more to start with (i.e., upper-class individuals) who also strive to acquire more wealth and status.” Plainly, high-status people desire status more than anyone else.

So which one is it to achieve status: goods/wealth or beliefs?

Or this:

> It used to be high-status to hold a job and take care of your family. Not so much anymore. Those who sit at or near the apex of the social ladder (who decide what behaviors are prestigious) have decided that family stability is unimportant.

> The people with the most money and education—the class most responsible for shaping politics and culture and customs—ensure that their children are raised in stable homes.

Once again: which one is it?

Then in both articles there's the same mechanism of saying basically "it's not visibly the fault of X, but under the hood it's actually the fault of X".

I mean: how can you argue with people who consider that everything that is wrong on earth is the fault of the "rich" and that even if the rich have good values, it's their fault that the poor have bad values?

"They do A, they say A. But they think B. Hence the poor are suffering".

Another take is that intellectuals, including in universities, have been very hard at work in the west (both in the EU and the US), since decades, to push the religion of the state. And what stands between the state and the individual? Religion and family, for a start.

And in a deliciously ironic turn of events, it's the one class leftist intellectual from universities (there are no right-wing intellectuals in universities anymore) hate the most, the "rich", that managed to push back against that narrative and raise their kids perpetrating the notion that being a united family is a good thing.

I really don't buy it that the rich are oppressing the poor by showing united families. And no amount of quoting french intellectuals is going to change my mind.

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

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post #30

Born too late to enjoy exponential asset growth. Born too soon to see the true environmental impact of the asset growth. Lost generation, can I just get some drugs to cope please, my computer job is making me lose my humanity ;( Just kidding it’s all good :)

It would make an interesting film(book/documentary/comic?) where the protagonist is laid off because the factory in Anytown, Georgia closes down and by some magical plot contrivance he is able to move to Shenzhen and get his job back. You could go a lot of different ways, or several at once, with this set up.

Given the experiences of my white friends in China, a laid off factory worker moving to Shenzhen would have done extremely well for himself, especially back then.

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

#200
post #108

We expect young men to grow up and become "husband material". Due to various changes (standards for husbands rising, economic opportunity diminishing), this goal has become clearly unreachable for many. I would opt out if I was a poor young man today, and focus on enjoying the small pleasures (drinking with my buddies, playing PS5). The hill they are expected to climb is ludicrous, and I am not surprised they respond…

Damn. This is the first I’m hearing I wasn’t allowed to have a job AND play PS5. I’ll have to rectify this at once. What are the rising standards though? Not beating your wife?

Being emotionally available, participating in chores, providing a comfortable lifestyle while not working all the time, being reasonably well-read and good conversationalist, etc.

Have you not noticed how much more we expect from men as partners?

NB I’m not saying we shouldn’t expect more from them. I’m saying many are seeing the list of demands, and opting out of even trying

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