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Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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This just reminds me of my theory of Microsoft's checklist-driven development: Some PM writes down some single-sentence description of a feature (e.g. "Share Wi-Fi passwords with contacts") and the developers just read the list and find the single least-effort way of implementing it. Once done, they can tick the item off the list and go home having done their job, although often in the most excruciatingly stupid way…

Because this is Microsoft we shall apply Gates' razor and must thus conclude that "never attribute to stupidity that which is adequately explained by malice".

> Gates' razor and must thus conclude that "never attribute to stupidity that which is adequately explained by malice

I like this term, hopefully it enters dictionary. Stupidity doesn't buy yachts, vile malice does.

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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> Unfortunately nothing opt in ever gets wide adoption. Too fucking bad for them. This opt-out bullshit for everything like this, marketing emails, etc. is bullshit. I’m sick of it.

Don't forget the website cookie popup tomfoolery, where you must study each and every popup carefully lest you click the wrong button to opt out.

...and they NEVER remember your preferences, well except your shopping preferences which will stick to you across networks and devices.

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Years ago MS decided to exploit IRC a very similar way by producing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Comic_Chat - IRC networks and Channel operators hated this shit. It would add a tonne of extra encoding characters that weren't hidden in normal IRC clients. All of this was because they wanted the critical mass of users and didn't want to work at establishing it themselves at the time. (The funny part of it be…

at least it gave us Jerkcity

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Personally, reactions serve as a fast signal for “acknowledged” that spares me having to see a new email that says “Ok”.

I think read receipts may be a better solution for what most people seem to use the reaction buttons for. Then again, I don't really care either way. I can see the value of email reactions, but that does require clients to build in support for the standard. The text fallback also isn't great, I'd much rather they'd sendan email with nothing but the emoji than "person X reacted to your message". I suppose this is more…

The problem with read receipts is that (1) it’s useful for spammers to see that their email went through, and (2) I don’t want to automatically share with people when I read the email or instant message, so i would turn off the feature even if spam wasn’t an issue.

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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This kinda reminds me of a feature Windows (Phone) used to have, where it would share your Wi-Fi password with the device's contacts automatically. To opt-out you had to add _optout to the SSID name. https://www.theregister.com/2015/06/30/windows_10_wi_fi_sens... It looks like this feature was removed eventually, but it's just one of those tasteless things that MS does every once in a while.

This just reminds me of my theory of Microsoft's checklist-driven development: Some PM writes down some single-sentence description of a feature (e.g. "Share Wi-Fi passwords with contacts") and the developers just read the list and find the single least-effort way of implementing it. Once done, they can tick the item off the list and go home having done their job, although often in the most excruciatingly stupid way…

I'm stealing the term Checklist-driven development. Combined with Cha Bu Duo it explains so much of what I see on a daily basis...

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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This was a good feature. Thankfully it still exists in iOS. Just requires approval.

The iOS implementation of this feature is perfect.

I don't know if it was Android-native or MiUI, but my old phone could share wi-fi credentials by showing it as a QR code. I consider that implementation to be even better since it can be triggered manually

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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This kinda reminds me of a feature Windows (Phone) used to have, where it would share your Wi-Fi password with the device's contacts automatically. To opt-out you had to add _optout to the SSID name. https://www.theregister.com/2015/06/30/windows_10_wi_fi_sens... It looks like this feature was removed eventually, but it's just one of those tasteless things that MS does every once in a while.

Apple does it right: it shares only if you press the button and only with your own devices (the share prompt will show up if your other device is currently facing Wi-Fi password prompt and your current device knows the password)

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Personally, reactions serve as a fast signal for “acknowledged” that spares me having to see a new email that says “Ok”.

I think read receipts may be a better solution for what most people seem to use the reaction buttons for. Then again, I don't really care either way. I can see the value of email reactions, but that does require clients to build in support for the standard. The text fallback also isn't great, I'd much rather they'd sendan email with nothing but the emoji than "person X reacted to your message". I suppose this is more…

You prefer an automatically generated read receipt that basically means "this person clicked somewhere in their client, it happened to open the email, maybe they read it, maybe it was an accident" to "this person read your email and consciously decided to acknowledge it and chose a particular 'reaction' to hint at what they mean"? Really?

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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> Second, "reactions" are not part of the email culture or the standard email specs. It's unexpected and awkward. Another old dog refusing to learn a new trick. If you want to talk about not part of email culture, let's not forget images weren't part of the original. So people got over that. They embraced it just like they embraced HTML emails and everything else. You can stand in the middle of the stream, but it's j…

Not everyone embraced it. I still use a plain-text email client.

In case you haven't realized, you're the odd one out, today, in 2024. I don't mean this in a negative way - I just mean that you're out of what's usual.

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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In an outlook only company, reactions make a ton of sense. They save tons of "great, thank you " emails. Of course you can still send real thank you emails when you're genuinely thankful!

I’m not an Outlook user, and I really dislike the product. But I wish the feature that you can write say @joel to get someone’s attention in large email threads with too many on CC would have been adopted by more mail clients.

I'm a Linux user myself, but I've since given up on using a standalone email client, and just use the Outlook web interface...
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