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Re: Microsoft cutting crucial link to Gaza, Palestinians say

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Post by esbeeb »

casenmgreen wrote: post #89

Every time I read a story like this, about MS or Google or Twitter or which-ever big corporate it is, I'm so glad that I exited these platforms and years ago. I left LinkedIn before MS bought it, because it was clear it was being copied by all and sundry. I left GitHub once MS bought it (and I thank God for that, ever time I see another story about MS being awful). I never used Google - they were obviously evil and f…

It's interesting how no matter how much that we'd all like for technology to be this nice tidy domain of knowledge which doesn't intermingle in any messy way with philosophy or religion - where there is much less exactitude and clear boundaries - alas, this intermingling of morality comes around sooner or later.

Morality/ethics/religion/philosophy can't help but come to bear on any and all technology, once it becomes widespread, systemic and seemingly "too big to fail."

Re: Microsoft cutting crucial link to Gaza, Palestinians say

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Post by monocasa »

Fatnino wrote: post #186
monocasa wrote: post #175

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Power is still disabled in large swaths of gaza. Food is still scarce, with far fewer trucks let in versus pre invasion (which was 500 trucks a day), which was already calibrated according to Israeli officials to be "the lowest level possible consistent with avoiding a humanitarian crisis". https://www.cbsnews.com/news/wikileaks-israel-intentionally-...

Those 500 trucks included other stuff besides food. Things like concrete (for tunnels) and water pipes (for mortars). Nowadays (as in the last few months) a minimum of 250 FOOD trucks enter Gaza daily. Sometimes as high as 350. Source, with occasional pictures https://twitter.com/cogatonline This also means that the embarrassing US floating pier brings in approximately nothing compared to the land crossings.

> Things like concrete (for tunnels) and water pipes (for mortars).

Those were both banned. The trucks were mainly food.

Also, the story was that they built rockets out of the pipes. In reality, they were remanufactured arms out of Israeli duds. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/28/world/middleeast/israel-h...

> Nowadays (as in the last few months) a minimum of 250 FOOD trucks enter Gaza daily. Sometimes as high as 350.

Current estimates are that 1000-1500 trucks a day are needed due to both the backlog of lack of food and the destruction of Gaza internal food production.

Re: Microsoft cutting crucial link to Gaza, Palestinians say

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Post by invalidname »

dunekid wrote: post #190
invalidname wrote: post #189

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Nope. > 695 Israeli civilians, 71 foreign nationals, and 373 security forces.[165] This data was published in December 2023, using social security data. There are additionally five people classed as missing, including four Israelis.[165] The deaths included 36 children, of whom 20 were under 15 years old and the youngest was a 10-month-old baby. Notice that when you say "security forces" western people don't count th…

Sure, are we going to ignore that more Palestinians has been killed till October last year, even without an official war declaration in Gaza and West Bank? There are more hostages including minors, taken by Israel, before and after the said incident.

This isn't a contest of volumes and it's a very false equivalency. Hamas attacked Israel knowing the cost in lives and chose to attack anyway because they don't value human life. Even that of their own people.

Israel takes prisoners not hostages and has due process albeit flawed. Everyone arrested is arrested due to something they did. Not taken out of their home or a party. Not raped and murdered. These are not civilians, they are typically criminals.

Minors taken by Israel are 16+ unless they did something serious. E.g. two teen girls stabbed a person who they thought was an elderly Jew. Was actually an old Palestinian guy. Obviously Hamas asked to release that murderer. Israel is asking for the release of innocent people while Hamas is asking for the release of mass murderers.

Re: Microsoft cutting crucial link to Gaza, Palestinians say

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Post by exe34 »

bhouston wrote: post #62
invalidname wrote: post #56

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It has R&D centers and local business centers. Skype is not in Israel and there's no reason for a VoIP solution to route through a country local facility. The "complete siege" ended ages ago. Israel provides power, food etc.

It isn't just Skype, their hotmail accounts were also disabled. Many local countries definitely do have authority over services provided in their countries. I would guess these shutdown orders came from Israeli security services and then were routed though Microsoft Israel to be enacted. > The "complete siege" ended ages ago. Israel provides power, food etc. Sure, whatever you say.

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Re: Microsoft cutting crucial link to Gaza, Palestinians say

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Post by exe34 »

monocasa wrote: post #192
Fatnino wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those 500 trucks included other stuff besides food. Things like concrete (for tunnels) and water pipes (for mortars). Nowadays (as in the last few months) a minimum of 250 FOOD trucks enter Gaza daily. Sometimes as high as 350. Source, with occasional pictures https://twitter.com/cogatonline This also means that the embarrassing US floating pier brings in approximately nothing compared to the land crossings.

> Things like concrete (for tunnels) and water pipes (for mortars). Those were both banned. The trucks were mainly food. Also, the story was that they built rockets out of the pipes. In reality, they were remanufactured arms out of Israeli duds. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/28/world/middleeast/israel-h... > Nowadays (as in the last few months) a minimum of 250 FOOD trucks enter Gaza daily. Sometimes as high as 350…

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Post by edanm »

racional wrote: post #161
readthenotes1 wrote: post #158

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Why did you put quotes around "war"? It may be other things, but it's definitely not just a "reaction", "retaliation", or "police action"...

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This is absolutely not true. Whatever else you many think of what's happening, this is just a distortion of reality.

Hamas is an organized paramilitary of a semi-autonomous regino, that has spent twenty years digging a vast tunnel network and hiding weapons and ammunition in civilian homes. It is engaged in daily attacks against the IDF in Gaza, as they themselves show by posting videos of their firefights and attacks against the IDF. Hundreds of Israeli soldiers have died in these battles.

That is, by any measure, a war.

Re: Microsoft cutting crucial link to Gaza, Palestinians say

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Post by mandmandam »

jmward01 wrote: post #177

Anyone know why this post is flagged? I get that there is an aspect of 'Most stories about politics' but at the same time the tech censorship angle here is high and likely in-line with 'Anything that good hackers would find interesting.'

It's flagged because dang didn't unflag it, ultimately.

Which is concerning.

Re: Microsoft cutting crucial link to Gaza, Palestinians say

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Post by racional »

edanm wrote: post #197
racional wrote: post #161

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This is absolutely not true. Whatever else you many think of what's happening, this is just a distortion of reality. Hamas is an organized paramilitary of a semi-autonomous regino, that has spent twenty years digging a vast tunnel network and hiding weapons and ammunition in civilian homes. It is engaged in daily attacks against the IDF in Gaza, as they themselves show by posting videos of their firefights and attack…

Yes, one notices there's been lots of shooting and bombing going on. The question is whether the current Israeli government rationally believes it will improve its overall security position in conducting the operation in the way it is doing (the usual intended outcome of a "war"). Or whether it has other goals in mind. As its numerous (quite nauseating) statements about the long-term fate it in has in mind for both the territory in question and the "animals" who inhabit it consistently indicate:

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/security-aviation/2024-0...

It has long since abandoned any pretense of freeing the hostages as a primary goal, in any case.

Re: Microsoft cutting crucial link to Gaza, Palestinians say

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Post by dunekid »

exe34 wrote: post #195
monocasa wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Things like concrete (for tunnels) and water pipes (for mortars). Those were both banned. The trucks were mainly food. Also, the story was that they built rockets out of the pipes. In reality, they were remanufactured arms out of Israeli duds. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/28/world/middleeast/israel-h... > Nowadays (as in the last few months) a minimum of 250 FOOD trucks enter Gaza daily. Sometimes as high as 350…

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Me too, I would like to see the evidence, but alas the occupying power does not allow free press to be on the Gaza strip.

I would just remind you that there is not just a famine, but a brutal genocide too, and Communications itself is under attack. Please give some leniency to the people who are bombed to the ground, killed and maimed, and using web trees to connect to the World, for not showing enough evidence of famine. Although I wonder how much of an evidence would be needed to make us all believe there is a famine. But , surely more than the evidence to believe that this is an act of defence by the occupying power is needed.

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