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Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by k8sagic »

Arjuna144 wrote: post #172
k8sagic wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Consiousness is a emerging feature of our brains complexity. The way this dude throws around quantum and co is just esotherical.

I am not aware of any proof that "Consiousness is a emerging feature of our brains complexity". For all that I know throwing around such statements of truth is mere stupidity and anti scientific

Funny that you go the 'anti scientific' route while proposing a person who also doesn't have proof of his ideas/theory

"While the emergence of consciousness from brain dynamics is commonly accepted" https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Phenomenal-consciousness...

"Consciousness as an Emergent Phenomenon: A Tale of Different Levels of Description" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7597170/

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by itishappy »

dkbrk wrote: post #91
eigenvalue wrote: post #43

It's fascinating to me that a pure element would have such immediate and significant effects on the human mind. I would think that this would generally require a more complex molecular shape that can fit with various receptors in the body and trigger the release of dopamine and other neurotransmitters. Apparently, Xenon does this by acting as an antagonist of the N-methyl-D-aspartate (NMDA) receptor, a subtype of glu…

Even more relevantly, Nitrogen is an anaesthetic. Even, apparently, at the partial pressure found in air [0]. [0]: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1130736/

Nitrogen is narcotic at higher partial pressures. This is something they teach during SCUBA diving training: If your dive buddy starts acting loopy when you get around 100ft deep, it's time to go up.

> It is caused by the anesthetic effect of certain gases at high partial pressure... Narcosis produces a state similar to drunkenness (alcohol intoxication), or nitrous oxide inhalation.

> Except for helium and probably neon, all gases that can be breathed have a narcotic effect, although widely varying in degree. The effect is consistently greater for gases with a higher lipid solubility, and although the mechanism of this phenomenon is still not fully clear, there is good evidence that the two properties are mechanistically related.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen_narcosis

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by itishappy »

Tabular-Iceberg wrote: post #80
janalsncm wrote: post #56

In college I used a lot of nitrous. I got small cartridges and a “cracker” with a balloon. It was pretty euphoric. I stopped after recording myself taking it. I was unconscious a lot longer than I remembered being, and even though I was probably never at risk of suffocating there were long periods where I didn’t see myself breathing. That was enough. I regret the effects it may have had on my brain. It’s impossible t…

Unconscious from the hypoxia? Why don’t recreational nitrous users mix in some oxygen like medical users do?

Hypoxia is euphoric. It's part of the intended effect.

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by Arjuna144 »

robbiep wrote: post #182
Arjuna144 wrote: post #171

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No no, Dawkins is just a old scientist and even though I admire him, he is just repeating the same old lines. These days there is research and qunatum effects in the structures of microtubelins was shown by other research groups also: https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.jpcb.3c07936 It is best to really do the research and not rely on people who already have made up their mind (that Dawkins guy for example seems lik…

You’re already polling way over what you’ve just said, though. There is no doubt that small structures exhibit quantum effects. There is absolutely no demonstrable relationship between small things exhibiting quantum effects and consciousness. You give your whole game away when you say ’which is needed for consciousness to "limit" itself to an identity.’ This is actually mysticism. You’re already making absolutely ex…

You are right, what I claimed is byond the current scope of science. It is a bit like saying 'A brain can "see" an apple even when the eyes are closed" (alluding to what we call "imagination"). You _know_ it can, but science can not prove it. It is based on your very own experience

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by dyauspitr »

eigenvalue wrote: post #43

It's fascinating to me that a pure element would have such immediate and significant effects on the human mind. I would think that this would generally require a more complex molecular shape that can fit with various receptors in the body and trigger the release of dopamine and other neurotransmitters. Apparently, Xenon does this by acting as an antagonist of the N-methyl-D-aspartate (NMDA) receptor, a subtype of glu…

The HIF factor they mention is what your body makes when it’s going through hypoxia. It’s the same thing pranayama yoga (or more popularly Wim Hof breathing) does because you induce mild hypoxia conditions.

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by racional »

ossobuco wrote: post #188
racional wrote: post #174

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> And used today In the mainstream, I obviously meant. Check in on any American Nazi rally from the 1930s to the present day (the photos are all over the place); you'll see the Stars and Stripes displayed very prominently right along Swastika flags. Does that mean the former is, therefore, a fascist symbol? Check what is the role of fascist militias like Azov in the 2014's Maidan. Azov did not exist at the time of Ma…

> Azov did not exist at the time of Maidan. Yes Azov was founded right after, which tells you already there is some correlation with the Maidan. But do you think Azov was founded by a bunch of newborns, or maybe by the same militarly trained people who participated in the Maidan? > The irony here is that you claim to be concerned about the dangers of Nazism. But then almost in the same breath, you dive head-first int…

The point is that with all of your concern about these momentous events, and all your "research" -- you're clearly hallucinating about the key players involved.

Does this fact not bother you?

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by rvba »

idiotsecant wrote: post #34
rvba wrote: post #16

> Xenon is unique among psychedelic drugs because it’s a pure element. It leaves the body exactly as it entered, completely unchanged. I very doubt it is true. The article poorly hand waves later that a brain without oxygen will starve. I bet shooting this crap for some short term high will burn your brain cells, even if mixed with oxygen.

A magnet will pass by a hard drive and emerge totally unchanged. It doesn't mean the hard drive was not changed

Very good analogy!

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by ossobuco »

racional wrote: post #196
ossobuco wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Azov did not exist at the time of Maidan. Yes Azov was founded right after, which tells you already there is some correlation with the Maidan. But do you think Azov was founded by a bunch of newborns, or maybe by the same militarly trained people who participated in the Maidan? > The irony here is that you claim to be concerned about the dangers of Nazism. But then almost in the same breath, you dive head-first int…

The point is that with all of your concern about these momentous events, and all your "research" -- you're clearly hallucinating about the key players involved. Does this fact not bother you?

It doesn't as I think I'm right.

Who do you think are the key players involved?

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by PrivateButts »

bitwize wrote: post #141
chatmasta wrote: post #130

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There’s a recent video game called “The Finals” where you can throw these steel tanks and the physics works basically as you describe.

The Finals is nuts and sports one of the most advanced game engines out there right now. Fine-grained, server side destruction physics that's synced perfectly to everyone's client so everybody sees the building crumble in exactly the same way.

I can't wait for the deep dive on how the finals works on a technical level, it's extremely impressive
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