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EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Post by arlort »

rvnx wrote: post #122
thefz wrote: post #6

https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/council-to-greenlight-chat-... Let your voice be heard! Contact your representatives (bottom of the page)!

There were elections about a week ago, so people voted for that, did they change mind in a week ? If you go against what people voted for, isn't it denying democracy and the votes of the people ?

I guarantee you the number of people who voted in the EU elections thinking of this is negligible

And also the council has its own legitimacy which is not dependent on the EU elections, if the EP voted on this as a lame duck you'd have a point, but that doesn't seem to be happening

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Post by anonzzzies »

rvnx wrote: post #122
thefz wrote: post #6

https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/council-to-greenlight-chat-... Let your voice be heard! Contact your representatives (bottom of the page)!

There were elections about a week ago, so people voted for that, did they change mind in a week ? If you go against what people voted for, isn't it denying democracy and the votes of the people ?

Voted and changed their mind for what though? What has this proposal to do with what people voted for? Most people have no clue this is going on; it wasn't in any party program 'for the layman' that said

[x] 'privacy invasive scanning of everything personal, BUT for the benefit of the children and Kutcher'

Most people (even tech people) didn't/don't know about this and also, most people really don't care in the face of other more urgent things (housing, immigration, climate, inflation, etc etc etc).

If you sit down with them and explain (something like: what if this happens and you agree to the scanning, 20 years from now Putin invades your country and you get dragged off the gulag on day #1 because 17 years ago you sent a derogatory image of him to someone; they said they would delete everything!?!), most would probably vote against, but no-one is doing that.

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Post by NekkoDroid »

nybxwda wrote: post #155
rekoil wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry, are you talking about the plastic caps that stay attached to plastic bottles so that they are more likely to be disposed of properly rather than end up in some marine (or other nature) environment? I cannot believe you're comparing that (an effort designed to make recycling more effective, which is generally a good thing) to EU citizens entirely losing our access to privacy in the digital world.

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I dunno how you drink out of a bottle, but I most certainly don't deep throat it to have its neck in my mouth. Please enlighten me how it would make it impossible to "drink properly" when the bottle is flipped beyond the neck.

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Post by gabaix »

rekoil wrote: post #160
rvnx wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same, it solves a marginal problem (people that throw away on the highway only the plastic caps, and somehow keep separate the bottle), in an absurd way that punishes all the nice users, again, just to solve a small % of very cases. The guys who somehow enjoy throwing away plastic caps, will likely remove it anyway. The same with the spying, all users will suffer, but those who want to work around it, will find a…

Punish is a strong word, it slightly inconveniences all "the nice users". It's really not that big of a deal honestly, you unscrew the bottle, flip the cap up (it kinda locks like that and stays out of your way in one of the designs I've seen, in the other it's just attached and can easily be kept out of the way with a finger), then you drink, I fail to see how you suddenly need two hands as opposed to before...

Not debating the merits of this case.

There are many regulations that slightly inconvenience the many, to address the problems of a few. Individually these cases are benign. As a group they compound complexity.

Each new reform should be evaluated on both its benefits and the burden that it brings.

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Post by 0dayz »

It feels so polarizing with the EU at one point they push for strong privacy laws the next they push shit like this.

It's like their gun law that was a response to the Islamic terrorists using smuggled ak47 from the balkans but the law flat out bans anything bugger than a pistol pretty much.

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Post by Maken »

elric wrote: post #176
sva_ wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that we have to deal with this bullshit every couple months is a pretty depressing fact on its own.

I wish there was a way for EU citizens to punish the council this behaviour. Sadly, there doesn't seem to be anything in place for that.

You can vote for a different president/prime minister.

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Post by rsynnott »

hartator wrote: post #151
bigfudge wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The median EU citizen is not getting poorer relative to the median US citizen. Don't confuse growing income inequality with "national wealth".

GDP per capita of EU used to be higher than the US.

I'm not sure that's ever been true on PPP? It may have been on a nominal basis from time to time due to a weak dollar (1 EUR hit 1.60 USD or so during the financial crisis), but that's of limited interest for the average person.

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Post by lannisterstark »

xalava wrote: post #97

Dear HNautes, Politicians in Europe generally do not appreciate mass, repetitive emailing. It might even have an adversarial effect. If you want to be helpful, please consider more strategic alternatives such raising awareness among the general public, writing thoughtful arguments, or joining specialized non-profits or political parties.

Oh I'm sorry, how dare I inconvenience a public servant.

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Post by questinthrow »

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #178
coretx wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Over here in NLD they dont make them study. They mostly hire morons and give them a course so stupid a above average intelligent person could pass the exam within a month. And it shows on the streets. ( They even taser unarmed elderly on a mobility device and no one bats an eye ) Nobody wants to work for a corrupt and imbecile organisation.

> They mostly hire morons yeah, same here, that's part of the problem though, which reinforces the idea that police can be replaced by autonomous robotic agents. Which is not true. Some examples from my country, some are laughable, some are horrifying https://www.gardapost.it/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/robot-ya... https://www.gedistatic.it/content/gnn/img/ilsecoloxix/2023/1...

Oh I wasnt envisioning this when I talked about the situation above. I guess my vision is 20 years from now where you will have LLMs scanning everything and predicting your danger level, if it arises over a certain threshold they just send killbots to deal with you if you dont comply by reporting to your local private prison

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Post by jamil7 »

kvgr wrote: post #157
pelorat wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing you mentioned has anything to do with socialism.

Depends on the definition of socialism. For me the flow through retirement is socialist. The healthcare that forces people to pay money to non functioning system based on their income is socialist.

Socialism has an actual definition though, so you don't need to make your own one up.
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