Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

threema.ch

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

191–200 of 341 posts

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

#191

Post by dsign »

worldsayshi wrote: post #121
Hbruz0 wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does this allow for it to be sneakily applied, as you suggest ?

The public, as a group, can only keep a small number of subjects in focus at a time. This feels like a phenomenon that I take for granted to be true but I haven't heard any name for it or read any studies. It really feels like a symptomatic phenomenon of our time.

>> The public, as a group

I don't know, my local journalists paid with public money seem to be able to follow a lot of domestic trivia. They are much less capable of following matters of national interest, like how the country's economy is doing, what laws are coming up, and how's that Orwellian State business coming along.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

#192

Post by tichiian »

intunderflow wrote: post #188
infecto wrote: post #187

I don't support this legislation but I also do not live in the EU. Honest question, why do we (US, EU, wherever) not have more harsh punishment for child SA? Why not castrate the offender after two strikes or even one? I am sure there are other biological reasons for this to happen but I got the impression a lot of abusers were abused as children.

Similar reason why there's no death penalty. If you get the wrong person and you lock them up you can release them with compensation, it won't fix it but its better. You can't un-castrate someone the same way you can't revive them after an execution. Courts convict innocent people all the time, hence no irreversible punishments.

Locking someone up is a one-way punishment, they will not get their years back. Branding someone as a child-molester, even if they are later vindicated, is permanent. We already have irreversible punishments.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

#193

Post by prmoustache »

nemo44x wrote: post #128
cryptonym wrote: post #22

It took a bit of time but we are finally reaching sovietic dream of mass surveillance. We just need extremist to be in power (oh wait!) so it can be enabled for other purposes and we'll get full powered Stasi.

Well they do keep electing communists in Europe so it makes sense the Soviet dream state is near completion.

By communists you surely means far-right.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

#194

Post by joenot443 »

WhackyIdeas wrote: post #102

PGP encryption should be taught in school. Ingrained. Data privacy used to be trampled on with the fear of ‘terrorism’, but the Americans blasted the airwaves with the word so much that it diluted the word to the point it instills zero fear. Now the new words of the times to trample on privacy is CSAM. And like utter fools, the public fall for the same crap time and time and time again. The truth is, the world will a…

> and I believe we the west are probably more awful to humanity than even the Chinese, Israel or the Russians, and that is saying something

This is a wild POV to hold and one I'm pretty disappointed to hear on HN. You'd really prefer a world of Russian hegemony over NATO? My cousins in Ukraine would be shocked to hear otherwise smart people cheering on a regime which the rest of the civilized world has broadly condemned.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

#196

Post by tichiian »

mariusor wrote: post #81
gillesjacobs wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it is exactly the EU governance that lacks democratic representation, enabling unfavoured politicians to remain in significant power. You can only elect MEPs (via party lists) locally. The majority of legalislation is drafted by the technocratic European Commission and legislation is mostly passed through parlaiment unchanged from there. There are many nationally disgraced politicians seating in the EP, EC or…

In this specific case I believe that it's the EU Council that pushes for the current iteration of the law, which is formed of the head of states for each EU member. So, even if they might not be explicitly elected to be in the EU governance, most of them have reached that spot through more or less democratic means. "More or less" because Prime Ministers are usually nominated not elected, but that's still as part of e…

Only direct elections are democratic. Everything else is at best semi-democratic.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

#197

Post by BodyCulture »

prmoustache wrote: post #135
Hbruz0 wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does this allow for it to be sneakily applied, as you suggest ?

Many unpopular laws are passed during major sports events, soccer world cup, olympucs and/or during summer holidays season.

Many new laws are unpopular, always.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

#198

Post by circlefavshape »

blumomo wrote: post #37
lukan wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"and the voters don’t care." Then why did so many vote extremist anti EU? There just has been EU election in germany and the nationalist gained a lot. And none of the big parties otherwise said a clear no to that, so what could I do, except vote a small party against that, but too small to really do something? Voters care. But they see often no point in voting anymore.

> Then why did so many vote extremist anti EU? Is the EU really a benefit to the people? Or is it a shit pool full of scum bags providing quite some damage to societies?

Pretty much all the environmental protection legislation we have in Ireland came from the EU. So yes, a benefit

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

#199

Post by JKCalhoun »

infecto wrote: post #187

I don't support this legislation but I also do not live in the EU. Honest question, why do we (US, EU, wherever) not have more harsh punishment for child SA? Why not castrate the offender after two strikes or even one? I am sure there are other biological reasons for this to happen but I got the impression a lot of abusers were abused as children.

> Why not castrate the offender have two strikes or even one?

That's orthogonal to whether or not we should implement a means to catch those that transmit child pornography.

Is castration intended to "cure" the criminal or do you think it would act as a deterrent? Would you consider castration for any kind of rape?

It sounds as though the next obvious step would be to amputate the hand of the serial shoplifter, etc. I'm personally not in favor of giving the state that kind of irreversible authority over our body parts.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

#200

Post by WhackyIdeas »

dist-epoch wrote: post #165
cherryteastain wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Want to check how many died in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria between 2001 and now as a direct consequence of Western military action, versus how many people the PLA killed in foreign interventions in the same period? Hint: the former - hundreds of thousands, the latter - zero

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong : > Mao's policies were responsible for a vast number of deaths, with estimates ranging from 40 to 80 million victims due to starvation, persecution, prison labour, and mass executions, and his government has been described as totalitarian. I guess according to you killing your own people shouldn't be counted.

Surveillance on internet use in China probably results in many visits to forced labour camps. Or worse.

Imagine the Chinese people agreed and voted for their great firewall, wouldn’t we all think they were fooled into sabotaging their own freedom?

But they never had the chance to oppose it. We do. And so who are the real dummies.

With how popular Trump is in the states, that makes me think dictatorship is just around the corner. Settling scores is coming.

Post reply on HN