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Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by voltaireodactyl »

burntwater wrote: post #149
lxhrstn wrote: post #91

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The app is obviously targeting a different audience, but having bought it and recorded some test footage on it now, it has considerably fewer features than Blackmagic Cam for videography/cinematography pros - no zebras, focus peaking, stabilisation settings, anamorphic de-squeeze, etc - even commonly-expected framerates like 23.98fps / 29.97fps and settable aspect-ratios like 2.39:1 aren't available as far as I can s…

I for one would love to see us drop the fractional frame rates (29.97, etc). They're an archaic technical relic that cause trouble when working with timecode. At Sphere we debated standardizing on 30/60/120fps but ultimately decided it was a battle we didn't want to fight in an already complicated building.

FWIW, I truly hope 24fps never goes away entirely. Something about it is the key to making movie stars look like legends and regular people look like a stars, imo.

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by frognumber »

At the $9.99 price point, I'd buy an Android version in an instant.

At a subscription or a significantly higher price point, I wouldn't.

Plural of anecdote isn't data, but anecdote is better than nothing, so there you have it.

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by th0ma5 »

dylan604 wrote: post #167
caseyy wrote: post #140

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How is color grading applied if not with LUTs? You know that when you do color grading with apps like Resolve, it is stored in memory as a LUT, right?

> How is color grading applied if not with LUTs? No absolutely not. In Resolve specifically, you have nodes that you apply to the video where each node allows for specific settings to be applied as part of the grade. In a true grading session, you dial in the settings for black levels, white levels, contrast, saturation as primaries. Then there's secondaries which start finessing. You can then draw windows/mattes to…

This is all I ever hear though. It isn't (just) LUTs, a bunch of posturing, and then "but it is magic that I can't share or you wouldn't understand."

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by KoftaBob »

colechristensen wrote: post #77
dghlsakjg wrote: post #71

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They have been around successfully selling apps with this business model for a lot longer than 2 years, why do you think they plan on changing it?

What happens is you run out of new people to sell your niche app to (or hit a long rather thin tail) while continuing to provide updates for your existing userbase. So you either have to release arbitrary new versions from time to time leaving the old ones neglected and eventually unsupported (or with the overhead of supporting several versions) or you switch to a subscription model. It's happened with so many busine…

What about releasing new features as in-app purchases? This way you can make money from existing users too.

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by selectodude »

zamadatix wrote: post #185

I really appreciate that the app is just an up front price! I probably don't really need it but at that price and straightforwardness it's not really a big loss if I don't use it much so I grabbed it. I looked at the other apps and realized they had made Halide as well which I tried out for a bit, for some reason thought it was subscription only & decided I didn't want it that much while clearing out subscriptions, a…

Halide has a lifetime IAP for $60 in there.

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by sitkack »

gdubs wrote: post #174
baby wrote: post #110

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I just looked at two pomodoro apps on the app store, one had a one-time purchase fee, the other had a subscription only model. It's a freaking pomodoro app! I can't believe I have to pay for that in the first place (why doesn't the countdown app of Apple not have a widget =.=) but a subscription? People are greedy af.

People are so used to the zero interest rate period of tech that everyone expects the pricing model of VC backed startups that can burn money forever and maybe figure out a business model at some point. Software costs time and money. People complain that they don't want the same uninspired corporate created junk – and then they balk at paying indie developers a reasonable amount for apps. So much work goes into this…

What to ZIRPs have to do with Pomodoro subscriptions?

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by fragmede »

hiatus wrote: post #147
yumraj wrote: post #141

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> People are greedy af. Personally, for smaller developers, I attribute this more to ignorance than malice (greed). Pricing is hard so they just look around and pick what they see happening around them without taking a moment even to think, forget about doing actual research.

These smaller developers go through the trouble of building an app and getting verified for distribution on the App Store but don't give even a moment's thought to pricing? Surely the easiest option is free compared to some arbitrary monthly price and having to set up payments, etc.

"having to set up payments, etc"

people (including me) complain about apple taking a 30% cut from developers, but for that money, they do make that part easy.

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by FireBeyond »

runako wrote: post #170
cooper_ganglia wrote: post #163

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You could almost use this argument to convince me for a complex software like the Adobe products that is constantly getting new, major updates, but for a Pomodoro app? Honestly, $1 seems reasonable.

I should have been clearer. Apps from big publishers were more expensive than the indies in the 1980s. And indie shops that were charging ~$40 ($100 in 2024 dollars) for their titles. This is a direct comparison to the type of pomodoro app mentioned in the upthread comment. The thing is, all software constantly needs new updates. If not platform-driven, then security, bug fixes, etc. The more niche (like a pomodoro a…

> A lifetime fee of $1, sold to a huge audience of 100k paid users, will pay for ~1 year of a single dev in the US, perhaps 2-3 years of a developer in a low-cost country. And then where does the money come from for updates in year 4 and beyond?

I challenge you to demonstrate the Pomodoro app that has a full time dev effort for a year, and then requires anything more than piecemeal bug fixes or maybe a recompile in that four years of support...

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