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The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Post by Bjartr »

tb1989 wrote: post #174
datpiff wrote: post #109

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I don't like most of TE's output but the OP-1 is definitely innovative.

Apparently, TE knows this Rabbit person's background as we are talking about millions dollar business. TE's values here are questionable when they decide to go with this guy. As for OP1, packaging a tape effect when it can't produce good sound quality is a fraud. Sampling from FM? Check Klaus Schulze.. Music startups can certainly innovate, such as Roli (Seaboard and Rise), moog. make noise. Open source monome. and,…

I would love to know about any other device that ticks the boxes the OP-1 does:

* Battery powered * Easily backpack portable

* Standalone DAW

* Piano layout

* Physical knobs and keys

* Sequencer

* Screen (and accompanying UI) large enough to not feel incredibly cramped

That's plenty of stuff that beats the OP-1 on plenty of these, but there just isn't much out there that hits all of them at once.

Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Post by AlexandrB »

devmunchies wrote: post #173
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #163

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Pikachu's everywhere were shocked. This is just the same guy, over and over. If he isn't too old, I bet he was into dropshipping too. Always on whatever new grift, always ready to start selling shovels to gold miners. I wish people were smarter about this stuff.

building a hardware company and shipping thousands of devices doesn't seem like a get-rich-quick grift to me. There are a lot of things rabbit can do that you couldn't do on an app since they own the hardware. Just shipped it too soon. The product is definitely not super appealing to me yet in the current state.

I think at the very least it's a kind of trend-chasing. If the AI hype dies down a bit will Rabbit AI continue supporting their product and customers or are they going to wipe their online presence and move on to the next trend like with the NFT thing?

Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Post by tb1989 »

Bjartr wrote: post #191
tb1989 wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently, TE knows this Rabbit person's background as we are talking about millions dollar business. TE's values here are questionable when they decide to go with this guy. As for OP1, packaging a tape effect when it can't produce good sound quality is a fraud. Sampling from FM? Check Klaus Schulze.. Music startups can certainly innovate, such as Roli (Seaboard and Rise), moog. make noise. Open source monome. and,…

I would love to know about any other device that ticks the boxes the OP-1 does: * Battery powered * Easily backpack portable * Standalone DAW * Piano layout * Physical knobs and keys * Sequencer * Screen (and accompanying UI) large enough to not feel incredibly cramped That's plenty of stuff that beats the OP-1 on plenty of these, but there just isn't much out there that hits all of them at once.

an iphone + korg nano series 2 :)

Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Post by starky »

I saw this news and my reaction was, "Of course it is, doing anything else would be stupid." But that on its own doesn't mean it could just be a phone app if the hardware adds something useful to the way the user interacts with it. For example, old Sony mirrorless cameras just ran Android under the hood but the specific hardware is what made those products, not the OS.

As a hardware person, both the Rabbit R1 and the Humane pin are great examples of why I'm bored of today's technology in general. It feels like we have been caught in a cycle of minor spec increases and not much else (except maybe removing features/rights and shoehorning in a subscription) for the majority of technology we interact with day to day. Companies are desperately trying to come up with a new device class that will take off, but they all fail in the same way, nothing is solving real problems that people experience. Who wants to talk to something clipped on their shirt instead of pulling out the phone they already have? You don't see people in public talking to the assistant on their phone very often do you? Even if they worked well, these are likely destined to be niche products.

It feels like we need to wait for the underlying technology to advance before we can get to the next set of interesting products. I'm thinking unobtrusive AR, robotics, self-driving, etc. which are all going to take some time to mature to the point where they are practical.

Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Post by viscanti »

devmunchies wrote: post #173
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pikachu's everywhere were shocked. This is just the same guy, over and over. If he isn't too old, I bet he was into dropshipping too. Always on whatever new grift, always ready to start selling shovels to gold miners. I wish people were smarter about this stuff.

building a hardware company and shipping thousands of devices doesn't seem like a get-rich-quick grift to me. There are a lot of things rabbit can do that you couldn't do on an app since they own the hardware. Just shipped it too soon. The product is definitely not super appealing to me yet in the current state.

Well the unit economics don't make any sense. You get unlimited free LLM calls forever? I don't really see the argument for it shipping too soon (although it is too soon for what they're claiming). There's a basic unit economics problem that can't be solved regardless of their future roadmap. They're promising people a no subscription model, claiming it eventually will have a Large Action Model and LLM for question and answering, and somehow those will be available free forever? It's either a get-rich-quick scheme, which sounds likely given their background as crypto grifters, or complete incompetence (somehow no one there ever thought what it might cost to do inference). Neither seems like a legit company that just shipped too soon.

Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Post by wmf »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #180
wmf wrote: post #155

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Are these privileged system-level permissions in the room with us now? What specifically are they?

why are you so incredulous that android might have some annoying privacy restrictions that a custom AOSP can sidestep? I would google rabbit's reasoning for this but I don't care enough

Their official reasoning: "rabbit OS and LAM run on the cloud with very bespoke AOSP and lower level firmware modifications". https://twitter.com/rabbit_hmi/status/1785498453097009473 This reads like obfuscation to me. Just tell us in plain english!

Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Post by ToucanLoucan »

AlexandrB wrote: post #192
devmunchies wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

building a hardware company and shipping thousands of devices doesn't seem like a get-rich-quick grift to me. There are a lot of things rabbit can do that you couldn't do on an app since they own the hardware. Just shipped it too soon. The product is definitely not super appealing to me yet in the current state.

I think at the very least it's a kind of trend-chasing. If the AI hype dies down a bit will Rabbit AI continue supporting their product and customers or are they going to wipe their online presence and move on to the next trend like with the NFT thing?

I don't even think in this case it's a matter of the AI hype dying down (though it is, and will continue to do so as products like these fail to get actually useful) I think this is just a complete nonstarter. Like, there's just nothing here that isn't better executed with existing tech. If I want to ask my phone to order a pizza, I can set that up in a lot of apps with Siri shortcuts, or, and far more likely, just open the damn app and pick what I want. Why the shit do I want to carry around a Rabbit, and make sure it has wifi access, and keep that also on my person next to my phone that does all that shit already?

It's literally just another smartphone, that you only control with your voice which is the worst way to control a smart phone, and it'll offer suggestions I guess? And I guess if you don't want the suggestions you need to have a whole fuckin conversation with it.

Like, we've already been down this road. It's tremendously easy as a customer to just be presented a list of things to buy, pick what you want, and swipe your credit card. Rabbit is a regression to ordering things with a phone, except instead of talking to a person, you're talking to a robot. But that's not an improvement, and in fact in many ways, it's a step back.

I just, I cannot fathom who wants this.

Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Post by Bjartr »

tb1989 wrote: post #193
Bjartr wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would love to know about any other device that ticks the boxes the OP-1 does: * Battery powered * Easily backpack portable * Standalone DAW * Piano layout * Physical knobs and keys * Sequencer * Screen (and accompanying UI) large enough to not feel incredibly cramped That's plenty of stuff that beats the OP-1 on plenty of these, but there just isn't much out there that hits all of them at once.

an iphone + korg nano series 2 :)

That's not standalone, that's two pieces.

Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Post by marcinzm »

sniggers wrote: post #176
marcinzm wrote: post #158

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Nothing about those features is specific to this device. OpenAI can do it in their app, or Google/Apple as a built in phone integration. In fact those companies have more data, more compute, more experience and more end users which matters a lot for AI. And most importantly, OpenAI/Google/Apple can basically get app developers to add any missing details into their apps. Rabbit can't.

>OpenAI can do it in their app, or Google/Apple as a built in phone integration Have they done so or described any upcoming plans to do so? Rabbit is doing it now. Man this site is so anti-hacker it's insane. Probably because it's 90% big tech employees that are actively hurt by startups shaking things up. Should be renamed

> Rabbit is doing it now.

You mean Perplexity, Anthropic, and OpenAI are doing so now. Rabbit is just using their models.

Also, Startups are not hackers.

Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Post by MBCook »

pembrook wrote: post #147
MBCook wrote: post #142

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Because no one wants to pay for apps?

This one actually makes a lot of sense to me. Just from a pure marketing perspective, look at all the insane hype they were able to generate due to possibility of a new physical form factor. There’s no way in hell they could have generated $10M in pre-orders and potentially hundreds of millions in earned media coverage for the 700th app that’s basically a chatgpt api wrapper.

You’re absolutely right, it would “just be an app” and have a much harder time getting noticed.

But I really meant what I said too. It doesn’t matter how great your thing is, people complain to high health about spending $.99 on it. And God forbid you want to subscription even if it’s only $2 a year. And don’t ask for an IAP of any kind.

The app market is a disaster of ads because almost no one will accept anything else.

Even if everything ran fully on the device so they didn’t have any server costs of any kind I think they’d have a very very hard time making money off an app unless it was incredibly extraordinary.

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