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Apple users are being locked out of their Apple IDs with no explanation

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Re: Apple users are being locked out of their Apple IDs with no explanation

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Post by oops »

cddotdotslash wrote: post #174
Handprint4469 wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bought an iPhone a couple of days ago, and was planning on using the weekend to finally migrate from my old Android phone. Luckily, I haven't even opened the box so I should be able to return it for a full refund. No way I'm spending over $1000 for this kind of experience.

Google has done the exact same thing in the past, deleting Google accounts without warning (which is arguably worse because not only can you not access your phone backups but your email, calendar, drive, etc. is gone too).

> which is arguably worse because not only can you not access your phone backups but your email, calendar, drive, etc. is gone too

Some people use iCloud for email, calendar and storage so for them I imagine losing access to Apple ID would be just as bad.

Re: Apple users are being locked out of their Apple IDs with no explanation

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Post by hu3 »

teekert wrote: post #54
leptons wrote: post #30

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Not only does the "walled garden" keep you safe, the walls are also too tall to escape it.

I use Tailscale, NextCloud (files, pics, calendar, contacts), Podverse, Obsidian, Bitwarden (Vaultwarden), Home Assistant, ProtonMail, Signal, Element, …. If my iPhone (iCloud) goes down it’s just a node in the network with all my data still my own and available.

We are in a 0.01% bubble.

For most people, losing their iCloud or Google accounts would be devastating.

I always joke that I'd rather lose all my documents and credit cards than lose my main e-mail account. And only tech savvy folks understand that it is not, in fact, a joke.

Re: Apple users are being locked out of their Apple IDs with no explanation

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Post by api »

It’s happened with Google too. The use of these huge companies as ID providers is not a great idea, especially given that they practically have no tech support.

Apple will let you talk to a human I guess but you have to make an appointment. Google I have no idea.

Re: Apple users are being locked out of their Apple IDs with no explanation

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Post by chrisjj »

holoduke wrote: post #59

In the future you have people living in excile because the conputer says no. Nobody understands why. Nobody knows how to fix it. The computer says no. Nobody gives a damn. You have no access to a bank account. No access to find a job. No access to get health care etc

The only protection is to subvert the system by using a false ID in the first place.

Ultimate irony.

Re: Apple users are being locked out of their Apple IDs with no explanation

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Post by randunel »

tkiolp4 wrote: post #186
endgame wrote: post #167

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Linux is still here.

Problem is hardware. I don’t like macos nor Apple, but their laptops are the best hardware out there.

I see this repeated over and over, but there's no proof that "apple hardware" is better than any combination of every possible hardware out there, it's just fanboyism.

Anecdotes of bad hardware are everywhere, given that the majority of hardware are cheaper thus more prevalent. But a comparison of all possible hardware with the same price points? Not feasible, so it's all just feels.

Re: Apple users are being locked out of their Apple IDs with no explanation

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Post by bdw5204 »

cddotdotslash wrote: post #174
Handprint4469 wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bought an iPhone a couple of days ago, and was planning on using the weekend to finally migrate from my old Android phone. Luckily, I haven't even opened the box so I should be able to return it for a full refund. No way I'm spending over $1000 for this kind of experience.

Google has done the exact same thing in the past, deleting Google accounts without warning (which is arguably worse because not only can you not access your phone backups but your email, calendar, drive, etc. is gone too).

Companies that wrongfully ban or delete email or phone accounts need to be civilly liable and this civil liability needs to supersede any arbitration agreement or terms of service agreement.

An Apple or Google account is far too important to people's lives to let them hide behind the "we're a private company and can do whatever we want" canard. They do need to have the right to ban spammers or people using YouTube or Drive to infringe copyrights but just randomly shutting off somebody's email or somebody's ability to make video calls should be against the law. The same would also apply to a text chat company like Slack or Discord banning somebody's work account for no reason. Certain tech companies have government-like levels of power over people's lives so they need to be restricted in how they can treat users like the government is restricted in how it can treat citizens.

Re: Apple users are being locked out of their Apple IDs with no explanation

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Post by andersa »

yannis wrote: post #188
Handprint4469 wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bought an iPhone a couple of days ago, and was planning on using the weekend to finally migrate from my old Android phone. Luckily, I haven't even opened the box so I should be able to return it for a full refund. No way I'm spending over $1000 for this kind of experience.

Black swan events can happen to you. Recently I traveled to a European country from my base (Middle East). I normally take my phone and laptop with me and they are synced. I forgot the laptop charger and could not get one locally not at least for about a week and then dropped my phone and it got damaged. I bought another phone (Adroid) and tried to log in to by google accounts. It recognized the email and the pswd bu…

This is standard Google behavior. Logging into Google on any new device always asks me to confirm it on one of the other devices that are logged in (i.e. phones, tablets). Suppose it's some kind of 2FA.

Re: Apple users are being locked out of their Apple IDs with no explanation

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Post by nottorp »

microtonal wrote: post #65
leptons wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not only does the "walled garden" keep you safe, the walls are also too tall to escape it.

You can use a Mac or iPhone without an iCloud account. Doing so works fine for Mac, most applications can be downloaded outside an app store. Sadly on iOS it makes the phone pretty useless if you want to install any third-party apps. Like others say, it's fairly easy to escape, just keep backups outside iCloud. Also, it's probably best to use a password manager that is not iCloud Keychain.

Can you? You can skip using the measly iCloud storage I guess. But can you activate a phone without an apple id?
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