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Re: I found one of my first programs (Java, 2011) on the Wayback Machine and it runs

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Post by deepsun »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #159
koito17 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the Java world, sure. Other programming language ecosystems tend to have tons of churn. For an anecdote, every TypeScript project I find from 2021 or earlier is simply impossible to build nowadays, meanwhile the ClojureScript code I dealt with in a previous job was able to survive 8 years worth of updates to libraries and the core language. I frequently ran into code that was last modified around 2013 because it j…

Note that what OP said he found was a JAR, not code. If you found an executable built in any language, I would expect it to still be able to run 13 years later.

JAR is not executable, it's a zip-archived bytecode (basically the same code with better readability for machines, very easy to decompile back to sources, you usually only lose comments and whitespaces). Java is an interpreted language, not compiled, at least mainstream VMs.

Re: I found one of my first programs (Java, 2011) on the Wayback Machine and it runs

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Post by deepsun »

fsloth wrote: post #170
koito17 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the Java world, sure. Other programming language ecosystems tend to have tons of churn. For an anecdote, every TypeScript project I find from 2021 or earlier is simply impossible to build nowadays, meanwhile the ClojureScript code I dealt with in a previous job was able to survive 8 years worth of updates to libraries and the core language. I frequently ran into code that was last modified around 2013 because it j…

The snarky response would be that TypeScript and Go are not industrial strength languages :) C++, C, even Fortran run just fine after decades.

Nitpick: C++ is not. Far from it. Compiled binary -- yes, but try building a barely old C++ project.

"I have no confidence that a C++ application I built last year with CMake 3.21 will build today with CMake 3.25." (c) https://wordsandbuttons.online/the_real_cpp_killers.html

Re: I found one of my first programs (Java, 2011) on the Wayback Machine and it runs

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Post by worthless-trash »

EdwardDiego wrote: post #62
worthless-trash wrote: post #58

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There are many other languages with a better lindy effect rating ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindy_effect ), common lisp, erlang, fortran and more. I won't doubt how java doing well, but other languages have it beat.

Except they're not in widespread usage, so aren't relevant. No grads are going "gee, do I go with a .NET shop, a JVM shop, or a BEAM shop?" And as for Common Lisp, which implementation? They can't even be compatible amongst themselves, so I'm dubious that SBCL CL from 13 years ago would just work.

> And as for Common Lisp, which implementation? They can't even be compatible > amongst themselves, so I'm dubious that SBCL CL from 13 years ago would just > work.

For a bit more solid example:

https://web.archive.org/web/20150217111426/http://www.inform...

This too will likely end up being downvoted for talking against the hivemind here.

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