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Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unmanned fighter jets

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Re: Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unmanned fighter jets

#191
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TIL there is a LOTR themed company that is making weapons, neat.

It's closely related to Palantir. Both are by right wing Silicon Valley libertarians sucking on the government teat.

In your view, does any company that does business with government organizations count as sucking on the government teat?

Re: Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unmanned fighter jets

#192

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https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/commits?author=neon-sunset

It doesn't take being a chef to know when something is shit :) (on the off chance that some HN audience members have reading comprehension issues - this is aimed at politically driven non-contributing participants behind the anti-anduril outrage, Nix and its creator are absolutely fine)

Signatories to the letter against Anduril sponsorship of NixCon include contributors with thousands of Nixpkgs PRs each, like Infinisil, wegank, and Ma27, plus many other recognizable names with PR counts in the hundreds. Some of those people are also committers who have helped many, many contributors get their code in.

If you can't tell that from a glance at the signatories list, you shouldn't be commenting on 'non-contributing participants'.

Re: Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unmanned fighter jets

#193
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That term isn't in the article, and it's Wikipedia page doesn't have anything about military. It just says it's a Linux distro. I'm out of the loop.

Some of the more leftwing NixOS contributors hate that Anduril is using their technology and are trying to keep them from contributing/sponsoring/etc. via code of conduct changes.

Nobody is trying to stop them from using Nix or contributing code. The only objection is to their use of Nix community events for advertising through sponsorship of those events.

Re: Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unmanned fighter jets

#194

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Honestly I think military is just a scapegoat for these people, their real mission (like many before them) seems to be using the lack of CoC acceptance as their own weapon to justify bullying them for having opinions they don't like. That has always been the MO. They want the CoC to be able to silence undesired speech in the first place, and if they refuse, it becomes their strawman to allow them to keep arguing the…

While the phenomenon you describe certainly exists, it is vital to separate it from the phenomenon of not wanting to support the US "defense" sector. I do not identify as a leftist, and would not be considered one, but as an aerospace engineer I would never work for something that aids the US war machine. Those weapons are never used in "defense". Do they defend an unsustainable way of life ? Sure.

> not wanting to support the US "defense" sector.

Better stop using computers and the internet then.

Re: Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unmanned fighter jets

#195
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It's impressive how much hardware they've been able to develop. Their "Fury", which they acquired from Blue Force, is "a single engine business jet with no cabin." It was originally intended as a target drone, something for fighter pilots to practice against. Anduril repurposed it as an autonomous weapons system. They do mean autonomous. Their slogan is "Autonomy for Every Mission". We're seeing the future of warfare…

> future of warfare Color me skeptical. It feels like what we're seeing now is a local optimum: new systems (drones) designed to asymmetrically win ($) against legacy systems (mechanized vehicles) designed for very different goals. We'll see what things look like once the post-drone evolution cycle has turned on the armored side. That said, I do think the Marines are right, in that distributed agility/logistics from…

They're using drones as killbots against individual infantrymen, actively chasing them down rather than taking a lucky grenade drop. That changes everything about force deployment on the ground.

Re: Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unmanned fighter jets

#196
post #89

I find it remarkable how the readers of this site are at the same time “worried about LLMs”, and totally enthusiastic towards what will inevitably become a no-human-in-the-loop Skynet. Sure, we’ll all get smashed with drones if we stop paying taxes or otherwise disobey, but at least our LLMs won’t accidentally praise Hitler or something.

Any rogue AI, if it proves to be a danger, will still need to maintain its servers somehow. So to be a danger it either needs to get humans to do what it wants, in which case it can bomb things just as well with manned fighters, or develop its own robots and manufacturing, in which case it can build its own fighters.

We ought to worry that these will let General Ripper go rogue more easily or an adversary hack them, but I don't think this moves the needle at all one whether advanced AIs could be dangerous.

Re: Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unmanned fighter jets

#197
post #191
post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's closely related to Palantir. Both are by right wing Silicon Valley libertarians sucking on the government teat.

In your view, does any company that does business with government organizations count as sucking on the government teat?

Pretty much, yes. Personally I don't mind the idea of sucking on the government teat - seems pretty reasonable.

But when you're a libertarian doing it - I just have to laugh.

Ditto Tesla. It's not a coincidence that all these guys are suffering the same hypocrisy.

Re: Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unmanned fighter jets

#198

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Honestly I think military is just a scapegoat for these people, their real mission (like many before them) seems to be using the lack of CoC acceptance as their own weapon to justify bullying them for having opinions they don't like. That has always been the MO. They want the CoC to be able to silence undesired speech in the first place, and if they refuse, it becomes their strawman to allow them to keep arguing the…

I think it’s entirely valid for a community to decide they don’t want participation and funding from a defence contractor. That isn’t a scapegoat - it’s the actual goal. You may or may not agree with this stance and that is totally fine. You’re still free to use the software for whatever you want; you can also go ahead and fork it, or create a new community endorsing this use. If enough people agree then it will thri…

> I think it’s entirely valid for a community to decide they don’t want participation and funding from a defence contractor.

Be that as it may, we wouldn't have computers or the internet if everyone acted like that.

Re: Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unmanned fighter jets

#199

Is Anduril really that good? I am trying to figure out what is the potential of Anduril is. Their first phase product was in observability towers for border protection, then they made drone-ramming drones and now unmanned fighter jets. I am genuinely curious. I was in the whole retail investor space since early 2010s which saw the EV hype. Workhorse was supposed to supply vans for federal postal vans, Nikola had that…

It doesn't have to be good. What matters is that near peer adversaries see these developments and spend some of their resources on trying on R&D efforts to match ours. An arms race is a non-kinetic way to weaken your enemies before hostilities start. Unfortunately, AK-47s are cheap to produce at scale and our enemies have millions of people to give them to, so regardless of the fancy toys, the military still needs ammo, mines, grenades, rockets, bombs, and napalm to disable enemy soldiers at scale.

Re: Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unmanned fighter jets

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post #89

I find it remarkable how the readers of this site are at the same time “worried about LLMs”, and totally enthusiastic towards what will inevitably become a no-human-in-the-loop Skynet. Sure, we’ll all get smashed with drones if we stop paying taxes or otherwise disobey, but at least our LLMs won’t accidentally praise Hitler or something.

We are on a venture capital website. Don't be surprised that when people read an article about killer drones, they just salivate at the sweet pentagon money.

If we don’t end up needing it: enjoy the sweet pentagon money. If we do end up needing it: enjoy the adoration of the people _and_ the money. Win-win.
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