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Re: Meta Horizon OS

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Post by vineyardmike »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #139
vineyardmike wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Zuck always wanted to own a platform. He was a developer at heart and wants a product that developers can build on. He’s personally invested in this. 2. I’m pretty sure a lot of the cost quoted for their “Metaverse” stuff included their CapEx for a ton of GPUs which probably have a lot of other uses within the company.

I wonder how 1. works. Won't any developer tell you that platforms are traps , to be avoided unless necessary (or unless you're prepared in advance to jump off it at any time)? I feel platforms are only interesting to business folks, particularly those selling access to them.

Platforms are a trap, except Windows launched a revolution. Platforms are a trap, but iOS made companies (like Facebook) billions.

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Post by aranelsurion »

meragrin_ wrote: post #34
technotony wrote: post #9

"we encourage the Google Play 2D app store to come to Meta Horizon OS, where it can operate with the same economic model it does on other platforms." - I feel like this might be the rub of this. Google is way behind in building the android of spatial computing, and maybe this can play into the trust busting cases where meta can show Google not playing fair?

It sounds to me Meta is terrified of Apple and they needs apps sooner rather than later.

> they needs apps

Meta likely has the most apps and most users of any one VR platform. Sure everyone needs apps, but they needs apps the least, especially from Play Store.

Unless you see using phone apps as 90" virtual screens as a killer feature at least.

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Post by baby »

woopsn wrote: post #109

I know I'm fighting the overwhelming tide here, but what the hell is "mixed reality"? What is "the metaverse"? For that matter what is "artificial intelligence"? Stop trying to dazzle and just use words, if the technology is revolutionary then it will be. An automobile is not the magic carpet, a cell phone is not a soulmate, etc. Otherwise fuck it -- TV is virtual reality, getting high augmented reality, TI-84 calcul…

The Metaverse is what the Internet is if you add VR. It’s not hard to understand.

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Post by ketchupdebugger »

technotony wrote: post #9

"we encourage the Google Play 2D app store to come to Meta Horizon OS, where it can operate with the same economic model it does on other platforms." - I feel like this might be the rub of this. Google is way behind in building the android of spatial computing, and maybe this can play into the trust busting cases where meta can show Google not playing fair?

Meta is desperate to get devs to develop apps on their platform. It is the only way to get more interest in VR. Devs dont want to be on it because there are no customers, consumers don't want it because there's no apps. They've been trying to market it hard but nothing has worked. They tried to brand it as a fitness device, a work device, and a game device, but the consumers are not biting.

Re: Meta Horizon OS

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Post by ec109685 »

samspenc wrote: post #152
pavlov wrote: post #145

Shades of Apple licensing the Mac OS to clone hardware vendors in 1995 - 1997. It seems like Meta will be controlling the software experience quite closely, just like Apple did back in the day. There’s an important difference though: Apple made all their money on Mac hardware margins which the nimble clone vendors could undercut. Whereas for Meta, the Quest hardware has always been sold at breakeven or even as a loss…

Like other comments have pointed out, I think of this as similar to how Google controls the Android OS. While theoretically open, the real useful stuff on top of Android (Google services etc) require a license from Google along with their Play store, so Google makes revenue from there. Certainly more open (edited) than the Apple ecosystem, but still controlled by one (big) player, with a little bit of flexibility but…

You’re discounting the huge number of android devices that use it as a base OS. E.g. Amazon and Peloton use android without Google services for consumer devices.

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Post by criddell »

b112 wrote: post #158
criddell wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So create a big market where nobody makes much money to compete with Apple's smaller market that captures absurd margins?

Do devs really capture absurd margins? Or does Apple, leaving the dev with a pittance?

I thought ultra-ridiculously-high-end was referring mostly to Apple hardware and bundled software.

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Post by NikolaNovak »

zem wrote: post #150
hackcasual wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Modded beat saber is the only reason I still have kept my original quest

I was half tempted to get a quest after playing beat saber on a friend's device. it's kind of amazing how much better it is than the next best thing you could do on one, some team just knocked it out of the park designing and implementing that game

Pistol whip is pretty good too. Those two get your light saber sword fight fantasy, and the Matrix Gun-Fu fantasy :)

And though I haven't an athletic bone in my body, the fitness / boxing apps are actually a great way to get some exercise in.

Generally, quest 2 was one of the things I haven't had any interest whatsoever until after a year's campaign, my friend basically forced me to try it during a visit :-). I have one now, largely for those 3 apps.

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Post by TulliusCicero »

spintin wrote: post #93

I think linux would be the obvious choice. VR is being gatekept by Valve and Meta. How likely is Valve to use Android?

Valve already has its own OS for a mobile device: Steam OS (based on Arch) on the Steam Deck. My bet is that they'd just modify that for a standalone headset.

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Post by prab97 »

kotaKat wrote: post #176
idle_zealot wrote: post #53

"Open platform" my ass. I still have to jump through ridiculous hoops to mod BeatSaber (which is the only way to make it worth playing for more than a few minutes). Quest 3 makes modding even harder. This announcement is trying to frame App Lab as an open app distribution platform; it isn't. Those "basic technical and content requirements" apps have to meet are basically the same ones that Apple or Google or Meta the…

And I'm still forced to have some form or variant of a Facebook-touched account, even if they want to change the front company behind it. I don't want to sign in to use a headset, period.

But you do sign in to use an Android phone, or iPhone. Although, I agree with the point that someone would never want to sign in with their Facebook account there, with FB account holding so much personal information about them! For gaming, somebody would rather prefer to use an alias like dungeonmaster669 instead of their verified actual identity.

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Post by fijiaarone »

idle_zealot wrote: post #53

"Open platform" my ass. I still have to jump through ridiculous hoops to mod BeatSaber (which is the only way to make it worth playing for more than a few minutes). Quest 3 makes modding even harder. This announcement is trying to frame App Lab as an open app distribution platform; it isn't. Those "basic technical and content requirements" apps have to meet are basically the same ones that Apple or Google or Meta the…

Plus, it doesn’t have the Apple logo.
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