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The forgotten war on beepers

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Re: The forgotten war on beepers

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Citations needed. These sound like wild conspiracy theories.

Citations: https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/blog/2023/03/ftc-says-... https://www.psychiatrist.com/news/betterhelp-mental-health-a...

Neither of those links demonstrate mishandling of location data collected via cell phone. They’re just regular misuse of data that would be possible even if nobody involved was carrying a phone.

Re: The forgotten war on beepers

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post #192
post #184

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Citations: https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/blog/2023/03/ftc-says-... https://www.psychiatrist.com/news/betterhelp-mental-health-a...

Neither of those links demonstrate mishandling of location data collected via cell phone. They’re just regular misuse of data that would be possible even if nobody involved was carrying a phone.

Well, I'm sure you understand that there is a broader theme here, given how central it has been to public discourse and lawmaking in the last several years.

But should that not be the case, here's data collected via cell-phone that was mishandled - https://eu.azcentral.com/story/news/local/southwest-valley/2....

Re: The forgotten war on beepers

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post #63

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I don't know what it is in US culture and society that makes it so hostile towards anyone and anything even vaguely suspected of a crime, but this sort of thing is shockingly common, even when dealing with children. Here's another case I encountered a few weeks ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Brown_case – there are so many things wrong with the entire thing, starting with charging an 11-year old as an adult…

Because it shows no remorse. The reason for reduced sentences for juvenile offenders is the idea that they ‘didn’t know any better’. That they can learn and grow and NOT be a menace to society soon. If they still refuse to take any ownership or show any contrition even after being clearly shown something was a major problem (hence the court case), then why reduce the penalty? Who would it be helping, exactly?

This line of thinking is entirely incompatible with the presumption of innocence and the right to protection from self incrimination.

Re: The forgotten war on beepers

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In the 90's, I was a project manager for a software consulting company. I carried a beeper onsite so my superiors could reach me when needed (e.g. to discuss growing the account). During a lunch meeting one day, two of my bosses at the consulting company suggested that I upgrade to a cell phone, like they had done. I said I was reluctant to do that, because I valued my independence and didn't want to be on a short le…

I had the same thought process in the 90s, and it is the reason why I still don't have a smartphone :)

Isn't it difficult to exist in modern society without one?

Re: The forgotten war on beepers

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It really upsets me that the VHF pager networks were shut down. VHF pagers were the last way you could recieve notifications without having to offer up your location to surveillance. All satellite pagers require transmit-before-receive, and of course LTE requires that plus actively cooperating with the towers' triangulation of the receiver. VHF POCSAG over large urban areas is something we never should have let go of…

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https://xkcd.com/596/

Re: The forgotten war on beepers

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post #77

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Because it shows no remorse. The reason for reduced sentences for juvenile offenders is the idea that they ‘didn’t know any better’. That they can learn and grow and NOT be a menace to society soon. If they still refuse to take any ownership or show any contrition even after being clearly shown something was a major problem (hence the court case), then why reduce the penalty? Who would it be helping, exactly?

This line of thinking is entirely incompatible with the presumption of innocence and the right to protection from self incrimination.

Welcome to bail/pretrial detention hearings.

Practically, what are the alternatives?

Every arrest is cite and release pending conviction? Society would be even more out of control.

Re: The forgotten war on beepers

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This line of thinking is entirely incompatible with the presumption of innocence and the right to protection from self incrimination.

Welcome to bail/pretrial detention hearings. Practically, what are the alternatives? Every arrest is cite and release pending conviction? Society would be even more out of control.

The alternative is to charge them as a juvenile, and to refrain from inferring a guilty conscious from their lack of "contrition" (which is a patently ridiculous thing to expect from an 11 year old - which is the real issue with charging children as adults, not that they supposedly are more reformable, but that they cannot be held to the same standards as adults).

You're engaging in a slippery slope fallacy. This was a miscarriage of justice. Civilization would not have crumbled if this child wasn't put through the wringer.

Re: The forgotten war on beepers

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If you have done nothing wrong you have nothing to hide. Just ask the animal libratio armys fringes who think that the death penalty is a reasonable response to eating meat.

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If you don't see why terrorists getting your location is a bad thing thing... Well it's a problem that will solve itself eventually.
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